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 #1371930  by LirrEngr
 
It's been in the news as well but has Anyone seen the flyers being left on some trains from disgruntled passengers regarding the recent/frequent service disruptions and organizing and fare strike on March 1st?

I'd like to know how the commuter council feels about this impending civil protest and what, if any strategy management has in the works if the riding public organizes on a large scale come March 1st

Could be a little chaotic that day if there is a real collective movement by the riding public.
 #1371931  by Datenail
 
This has been done before. who cares? take a bus or walk. The organizers will be placed on the no fly list and be labeled terrorists.
 #1372004  by ADL6009
 
Nothing more than rich spoiled brats throwing a tantrum. If you can afford to take the LIRR to your lucrative job in manhatten you are already doing better than most long islanders. No sympathy here.
 #1372011  by kro52
 
Greetings,
This is why Bernie's so popular....Free Commutation....Free everything.......
KRO52
 #1372057  by workextra
 
KRO52, that's the socialist-liberal movement desecrating the experiment called the United States.
They're on their to beginning a new American civil war.

And I'm not feeling for the commuters, Long Island is a bees hive of complaining, self richous, entitled cry babies.
But, that said. The average Joe blow commuter is getting screwed. Service does fail them, one cloud in the sky and the place shuts down. The poor management due to lack of institutional knowledge, and political interference where it does not belong. Has wreaked havoc in the LIRR. The commuters in addition to the front line employees see it.
But the employees have been brain washed with greed and politics and won't step up due to fear, the commuters are the only one they even pretend to listen to. Then say we can do it.

Seriously there is a huge problem here. And the problem is not the commuters protesting the carrier and or the MTA.

Any employee here truely knows the facts, some do the best they can, but can only go so far when the problem is well above them.
Then other delays are just to be expected. Such as weather and storm or act of God circumstances.

As for the snow storm. You Promiss much less then you actually deliver. Had the LIRR done that they would have fared much better in the eyes of the commuters
Just the fact.
 #1372063  by ADL6009
 
Some of the veteran railroaders here knew right away that's it's not possible to run full peak service one day after being totally shut down, but cuomo had to go out on TV and say we hope to have full service by Monday. Once he did that the RR was sunk.
 #1372140  by KT3
 
It's the height of hypocrisy that many commenters on this board frequently rail against anyone who dares to criticize, saying things like we shouldn't disparage the craft and yet, all too frequently, as this thread makes clear, commenters are more than willing to disparage passengers, the very people who pay the salaries of LIRR employees.

And threatening to call the police on a civil protest is an example of one of the many reasons why the LIRR faces so much rider frustration. If even its own employees don't respect the riders they serve, then why should LIRR employees expect riders to show employees any respect?

It has to go both ways and LIRR employees should be the ones setting the example for the riding public, if they want things to improve.

The fact that riders are very frustrated and are threatening a fare strike should be a wakeup call to the LIRR and its employees that something has gone way off the rails (pardon the pun) in terms of the relationship between the LIRR and its customers. Unfortunately, as the comments in this thread make clear, it's very unlikely anyone at the LIRR will recognize that, instead preferring to disparage those same customers.
 #1372148  by Kelly&Kelly
 
LT, your argument echoes those who have railed against every monopolized utility since the beginning of time. I can recall rate protests against the Bell Telephone Company, LILCO and of course the favorite Long Island Rail Road. Optimization of efficient operation is simply impossible with government ownership. The government doesn't care if the utility makes money or not. It doesn't care if its customers are happy or not. It is run by political hacks whose purpose is to divert criticism from their elected bosses and receive good paychecks.

Employees of these utilities are between a rock and a hard place. Many are dedicated professionals who become frustrated as inept management thwarts their best efforts to provide conscientious service or buys them inadequate tools to do their jobs. Some silently cheer on their protesters while others see the customer as an ignorant mass manipulated to support class envy to forward the political desires of the government's company.

"Fare strikes" have come and gone. They garnish some attention, but the protesters' message is usually diluted by the loudest, most ignorant of self-appointed labor-hating leaders who ignores the facts and physical constraints of the operation. Silly, illogical demands are made to which the agency immediately decries more tax money, higher fares, and union abolition as the sole solutions.

Until politics are removed from the management of operating agencies, you won't see true improvement. Until skill and knowledge trumps affirmative action and failed hiring social experiments, you won't see improvement. This is what protesters should demand. Not an end to snow, mechanical problems or living wages for the hapless, living-wage-paid quasi-government employee.
 #1372161  by DogBert
 
From what I've seen on social media, riders who are paying 300, 400 for monthly passes, are really pissed off that in the last few weeks (even on really nice weather days), service has been froth with delays and cancellations.

I fail to see how anyone raising their voice over bad service is a crybaby criminal socialist nutjob etc. The simple fact is, unless people complain (and even protest) absolutely nothing changes.

Unfortunately though, some of the same people aren't paying enough attention to who they vote for, and we get people like Clueless Cuomo...
 #1372167  by DogBert
 
If you really want to know what actual riders are complaining about...
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Delays regardless of weather.

Numbers of delays going up, according to the MTA's own numbers.

Lots of photos of duct-taped seats in there. Guessing there's no materials to fix them properly, or bandwidth to shop & fix. It's a cosmetic problem, but it makes a negative impression.
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 #1372168  by DogBert
 
KT3 wrote: The fact that riders are very frustrated and are threatening a fare strike should be a wakeup call to the LIRR and its employees that something has gone way off the rails (pardon the pun) in terms of the relationship between the LIRR and its customers. Unfortunately, as the comments in this thread make clear, it's very unlikely anyone at the LIRR will recognize that, instead preferring to disparage those same customers.
This.
 #1372170  by DogBert
 
kro52 wrote:Greetings,
This is why Bernie's so popular....Free Commutation....Free everything.......
KRO52
No one wants free everything. They want to pay 400 bucks for a monthly pass and not have their train delayed/canceled at least once a week.

But hey I guess that's too much to ask for in Trump's america.