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  by lirr42
 
Amtrak7 wrote:This is a major incident, not just something that throws one rush hour down the toilet. At the bottom of the latest update:
At this time, a train/bus shuttle service is being developed that would begin for the AM Peak on Thursday, September 26, 2013.
Uh-oh!
  by Amtrak7
 
The cable failure was at the Mount Vernon substation. Exactly what section of track is powerless? One substation can't possibly de-energize Pelham through Stamford.
  by lirr42
 
A photo of a stranded M8 I found and posted on the previous page tells that the affected area reaches at least as far as New Rochelle.
  by Ridgefielder
 
ConEd's press release references the failure of a 138kV feeder cable in Mt. Vernon as cause for this. Does that mean the only de-energized stretch right now is the 2-ish miles between the 3rd rail changeover at the Hutchinson River Parkway overpass in Pelham and the junction with the Hell Gate line at New Rochelle? If so, could they set up a diesel shuttle between New Rochelle and Mt. Vernon East?
  by Amtrak7
 
Ridgefielder wrote:ConEd's press release references the failure of a 138kV feeder cable in Mt. Vernon as cause for this. Does that mean the only de-energized stretch right now is the 2-ish miles between the 3rd rail changeover at the Hutchinson River Parkway overpass in Pelham and the junction with the Hell Gate line at New Rochelle? If so, could they set up a diesel shuttle between New Rochelle and Mt. Vernon East?
I think the diesel shuttle would have to go further than New Rochelle, but I hope that's not all the way to Stamford. (Harrison? Greenwich?)

The cable failure occured at 0520: did 1301 get through?
  by lirr42
 
New Rochelle-proper is included in the affected area, so the shuttle would have to go further than that. Maybe they can spin the shuttles at Woodlawn to save equipment?
  by lirr42
 
As per a recent Amtrak alert, it seems the Northeast Regionals are getting fitted out with dual modes at NHV for the trip to Penn, so that service is operating with delays. Acela Express service remains suspended NHV-NYP.
@AmtrakNEC wrote:Due to power system problems, ACELA Service disrupted between New York Penn, NY & New Haven, CT - Regional Service operating with delays
  by lirr42
 
The official declaration has been handed down by @MTA. Hourly service will continue through end of service today.
  by NH2060
 
Good grief they just can't get a break, can they? This is actually is turning out to possibly be an even worse situation delays/cancellations/service outage-wise than the Bridgeport derailment. At least then GCT-STM had regular service and BPT-NHV had 20 minute headways bridged by frequent bus shuttles.
lirr42 wrote:Northeast Regionals are getting fitted out with dual modes at NHV for the trip to Penn, so that service is operating with delays. Acela Express service remains suspended NHV-NYP.
On a somewhat lighter note, get your cameras out now, folks!
  by truck6018
 
lirr42 wrote: Maybe they can spin the shuttles at Woodlawn to save equipment?
They wouldn't be able to do anything at Woodlawn because it's in the middle of interlocking CP112. They would have to clear south of CP112 and change ends to go back north/east. This isn't a feasible option as it will create chaos on the Harlem Main Line.
  by RailSky787
 
It's still amazing how this one substation on a far edge of catenary service is able to effect 18 miles of track service. This substation used to provide ovehead power as far south Woodlawn (before the CP112 Junction) to New Rochelle (north or east of CP215 PEL)??. Now there is a DC substation south of the Mount Vernon East Station for third rail. Less coverage required for the Mt. Vernon substation.

So what happens "electrically" at the catenary break in New Rochelle.. between CP215 PEL and CP 125 SHELL. The wires raise to the height of the catenary structure and then back down. Thats look like a controlled power separation to me? Is that a substation at the Hells Gate Branch connection too?
  by RearOfSignal
 
Amtrak7 wrote:The cable failure was at the Mount Vernon substation. Exactly what section of track is powerless? One substation can't possibly de-energize Pelham through Stamford.
I believe the next substation east from New Rochelle is at CP 223? So that might limit the ability to turn trains at Pike. Secondly everything between CP 112 to Stamford on the NHL is side platforms(besides 2&4 at New Rochelle) so that limits the ability to move trains and people timely. The best bet would be to have all of the trains turning and coordinated from Stamford it's just easier.

As far as contingency with diesel equipment, MNR doesn't have spare diesel locomotives just laying around. Plus when power goes down the entire railroad gets littered with stalled trains so you can't run anything that resembles normal service until the tracks are clear. That takes time. Then these diesels have to be fueled, they're usually fueled midday for the evening rush, so that has to be factored as well. Can't run locomotives on empty.
  by lirr42
 
This doesn't look good. A tweet by WNBC reporter Andrew Siff said the following:
Andrew Siff ‏@andrewsiff4NY 2:56 PM - 25 Sep 13 wrote:BREAKING: @ConEd says restoring full power to #mta @metronorth could take WEEKS. They are working on alternatives. #nbc4ny
That could very well be an exaggeration, I don't think we're looking at a month long outage (or I sure as hell hope not!), but the MTA better get something together quick!
  by lirr42
 
ConEdison News Release wrote:Con Edison Metro-North Update 3 P.M.

Con Edison Media Relations
For Immediate Release: September 25, 2013 3 p.m

Con Edison is working with Metro-North to try to establish alternative power sources to serve the New Haven line. Company crews are working around the clock to make repairs to a feeder cable that failed earlier today, but repairs of this nature typically take 2-3 weeks. Another feeder normally providing service to the New Haven line was out on scheduled repairs to accommodate Metro-North upgrades on their equipment.

We apologize for the disruption, and we are working with Metro-North to help resolve the problem.

Con Edison advises commuters to check back with Metro-North at http://www.mta.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for service updates.
  by Amtrak7
 
I don't expect weeks, but the rest of the week might be possible. They should cancel/combo/shuttle some trains to Poughkeepsie and Wassaic for extra diesel sets tomorrow....
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