AMTK1007 wrote:Knowing people in the industry and knowing that a projuct like this ( single car) the tooling can cost WELL over the cost of a SUV here is a realistic solution that I am proposing to those of you that are saying the pricing is not realistic..I say to you be realistic, you say you can't afford something, then don't buy it, and when it comes out and you find that it does meet your requirements or exceed your expectations, Hold your ground, if you said your not going to buy it, don't buy it... do the rest of us a favor and leave more candy bars for the rest of us.
I am definitely aware that tooling is very costly. I read once in a Rapido ad that it can be around $100,000 for one car! If you are talking about me, I never said I couldn't afford these cars, It's just that $75 seems like a whole lot for one passenger car. That's probably because of how fast the prices have risen in the last few years. Yes, I do understand that this is a whole new model. Even though I am not happy with the price, just like you, I am definitely going to buy some of these cars later in phase IVb.
AMTK1007 wrote:Also be realistic and don't go around saying I wish the manufacturers would make this or that. If you are not going to buy it, don't ask for it, that's just being, for lack of a better term, hypocritical..
If you were talking about me I want to apologize for coming across as hypocritical. Just to clear it up though, again I didn't say that I wouldn't buy any Amfleets but I did say that they were pricey.
AMTK1007 wrote:Am I getting as many as I would like? No, but I am buying them...
I think you summed it up really well here. A lot of modelers are going to buy these cars, but they are either going to have to expand their overall model railroading budget or cut out other projects on the layout.
And don't feel like your rambling I appreciate what you have to say.
mlrr wrote:If they came with working ditch, head, marker and strobe lights I'd suspect they'd be close to $100. Without, they could potentially be around the same price as the Amfleet I and IIs. All in all I'd expect these to be in between the Amfleets and Metroliners.
I don't know why but I feel more willing to pay that much for a cab car than an Amfleet. Maybe it's because you only need one per train instead of 5. Anyway I hope it gets done and I would definitely be willing to pay more for the lights and all because, well, how cool would those look?!
AMTK1007 wrote:do the rest of us a favor and leave more candy bars for the rest of us.
As for the following; sorry with all of this candy talk I couldn't resist.
I need to preface thses comments with this.. theses comments are my own and do not repersent the comments of any company or organization in the model railroad community. that said...
Once we get to the current painted cars, that is where I will get into issues with quantities... Tooo much to spend and not enough cash, if only because I have all of the P42's in teh current scheme, though I need a decent number of Horizon bread boxes for the Midwest trains...and I am waiting for the Superliners to show up in teh current plating, like the hi-levels
I was not refering to you directly with the comment about " being realistic", but just in general, because, i talk to people in the industry on a daily basis, and truthfully, this kind of reaction doesn't sit well with them... Understandabley. And another thing, THey don't like the pricing any more then we do.. they realize it is cutting in to their sales, but is it really effetive to rub their noses in it?? I personally think not.
As for a 9600 Series cab car... Even if it were unpowered ( that is part of theproblem with the recently announced metroliners, they are ALL powered on one truck because of the interiors, it's lot like a loco where you can hide the motor under the long -hood, Hence the reason for the lack of unpowered - (read less expensive) cars. Even with an unpowered cab car, i would not be surprised to see the pricing at about 100.00 if the include a full light package., and there is NO way that you are going to get every version of the cab cars, while there may have been 4 or 5 major versions, I don't think and 2 are the same... Just Like the NPCU's
Just remember, there is this perception in the industry that AMTRAK won't Sell.....I know in talking to people in the industry that it was a hard sell to get these Amfleets made.. Admiditly they could have made some better marketing choices in promoting the product, but supporting the product, will go along way in getting other things... Like maybe some Horizons!
Back off my Vestibule steps and stepbox and on to the platform....
Conductors Portable calling the Head End of Amtrak 7, we have a green on the starting system, America's train can Depart Chicago on signal indication, lets go to channel 44