Have you looked at the older cars?! There's no possible way Walthers could have modified the tool they had to put on smaller air vents. Think about it! You're asking to put something SMALLER over a feature that is much LARGER. If it was the revers, there would be the possibility of covering up the smaller feature (provided the placement was correct). For the original tool it is a NO-GO because the corrugated body makes your suggestion unfeasible.
mlrr wrote:True but you're talking about product development 30+ years ago. Customer expectations and manufacturing techniques have drastically changed since then.
I still don't see why they couldn't put the right size vents on the car. It doesn't take rocket science,and I suspect it has more to do with people not giving a damn beyond "good enough". I suppose I've never made a "master" mold or template for a production model like that, but I still don't see how they messed that up.
Modifications to a tool that may seem simple to you are much more complex than you may think. I urge you and others to educate yourselves by asking manufactures (especially train shows) these kind of generic questions. You'll learn allot!
I've been show some of the "simplest" mods that required all-new tooling simply because of the nature of the required modifications. I can't remember which was which but I think in certain instances, when doing variants of a model, if one variant has an opening an another doesn't, you have to do the variant with the opening first because you can't cut into a curved surface but you can fill in that curved surface. The drawback is you can't re-run the other version unless you created a new tool so it's a one shot deal.
No, I didn't mean by Walthers. I meant that when American GK sat down and started drafting the Amfleet, why did they make the vents larger? The only thing I can think of, is maybe they had some crappy "concept" plans or something ( I have a few "diagrams" of Metroliners and Silverliners that DEFINITELY do not reflect the prototype). I know for their E60CF, they were using plans from GE for a locomotive that never materialized.
There are a lot of innaccuracies on RTR models that I just don't understand. I'm not talking tiny things like "oh, that break-shoe date is in the wrong place". I'm talking whole paint jobs that never existed, or models that are just wrong. For example, I have a Conrail U28B by P2k. The model has a nose headlight. Conrail U28Bs never had nose headlights. The NYC and Penn Central units are correct without nose headlights (these very same units became the Conrail units) yet the Conrail U28B is wrong. Did P2K even try to find a photo? Did they mistake a U36B for a U28B somehow? I had someone from walthers INSIST that the nose headlights were correct.
What I'm driving at, is who is doing the research, and why are their MAJOR discrepancies, especially from a brand like Proto 2000?
I'm not in error. you just misread my post . I said:
My guess is that (although no converted cabs are EXACTLY alike) they'll find the most "common" version and apply the various phases to it. The drawback is that I don't recall seeing them in phase II as they are proposing for the Sand Diegan. Perhaps they're expecting the modeled train to run with locomotives at either end?
Nope, I don't think I did. While the photographic evidence shows there was at least one Phase II metroliner cab, It was the exception and not the rule, and only exists in that form because it was sitting in storage an no one updated it.
What I was driving at, is that Phase II painted Amfleets almost certainly imply the mid to late 1970s. The Metroliners were not even retired until the mid 80s, and they sat in storage a few years longer before being transformed into cab cars.
Walthers itself claims these cars are the 1976 version-
Walthers wrote:The San Diegan - Los Angeles to San Diego (1976) - Phase II Scheme
(5) Amfleet I 84-Seat Coaches, (1) Amfleet I Amcafe
Introduced by the Santa Fe in 1938, the San Diegan was always a popular train between Los Angeles and San Diego, skirting the Pacific Ocean on the busy "surf line." Amtrak took over operation and the name in May 1971, running the famous train until 2000.
Besides, this makes sense. The San Diegan was the first Western train to get the new Amfleet treatment, and making it special since as I understood it, most of the new Amfleets were getting put to use in the Northeast.
Whats more, my books indicate through consists and photos that the train was run with a single F40PH, rather than any fancy locomotive arrangement.
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