Arrow III Thread

[Silverliner II]

Plus, there will not be any replacements for the Arrows on hand by that time. And that was even before Sandy showed up.

[ant6n]

Are they still going to retire the 60 Arrows at some point?

[Jtgshu]

Are they still going to retire the 60 Arrows at some point?

Before Sandy, there were already around 10 or 12 that were "long term" and started to be stripped of some parts. Im sure there are more now. So yea, they have started to pull some from service as they get damaged, etc. I dunno how much damage some of them took from Sandy, that might have added to the number of ones going away sooner rather than later.

[ApproachMedium]

It seems like whats out there is running and riding pretty good. Seeing a bunch more of the new pans floating around. With the equiptment shortages keeping any of these that can move, moving is in their best interest. These cars will take a beating and keep going they might as well keep em going!

[cnj1524]

More Arrow III's sold for scrap http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servlet. ... apAwardsTo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TrainPhotos]

One last bit of revenue for the course...

[ryanov]

I saw a bunch of them cut in half between Rahway and Avenel off the right-hand side heading east.

The sadder bit of news in there is the Solari board! :-\ I thought that was getting repaired.

[Matt Johnson]

Gotta wonder what NJ Transit plans to do with the Princeton Dinky if it's not gonna pursue a new generation of MUs.

[MACTRAXX]

MJ:

More then likely NJT will keep A3 MUs on the Princeton Branch Dinky run - in fact even if NJT decides to further
phase out the A3s they will assign a small group of cars for this service - and the off peak Gladstone Branch
service which has been mentioned elsewhere - because using MU cars is much more efficient then using 1-2-3 car
trains along with a ALP46 electric locomotive in push-pull service...I just can't see that used on the Dinky...

MACTRAXX

[Ken S.]

MJ:

More then likely NJT will keep A3 MUs on the Princeton Branch Dinky run - in fact even if NJT decides to further
phase out the A3s they will assign a small group of cars for this service - and the off peak Gladstone Branch
service which has been mentioned elsewhere - because using MU cars is much more efficient then using 1-2-3 car
trains along with a ALP46 electric locomotive in push-pull service...I just can't see that used on the Dinky...

MACTRAXX

AFAIK, locomotives are more or less banned on the PJ&B.

[F-line to Dudley via Park]

Gotta wonder what NJ Transit plans to do with the Princeton Dinky if it's not gonna pursue a new generation of MUs.

They are pursuing a new generation of EMU's. Minimum base order of 110 MLV EMU's, plus options TBD later when they finalize max quantities. Only question is how many options they eventually decide on for the full-expansion order.

NJT Board agenda, 10/8/2014: http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/2014_10_08_BoardItems.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^See p.30, engineering assistance for car design specs. This is the first step that comes prior to issuing the Request for Proposals to manufacturers.

[R3 Passenger]

They are pursuing a new generation of EMU's. Minimum base order of 110 MLV EMU's, plus options TBD later when they finalize max quantities. Only question is how many options they eventually decide on for the full-expansion order.

This was 8 months ago. Has there been any progress on this? Also, is NJT keeping the provision for the mixing of ML EMUs with unpowered ML trailers?

(Mixing ML EMUs with the unpowered MLs is kind of silly and defeats the benefits of having self-propelled cars IMO)

[F-line to Dudley via Park]

They are pursuing a new generation of EMU's. Minimum base order of 110 MLV EMU's, plus options TBD later when they finalize max quantities. Only question is how many options they eventually decide on for the full-expansion order.

This was 8 months ago. Has there been any progress on this? Also, is NJT keeping the provision for the mixing of ML EMUs with unpowered ML trailers?

(Mixing ML EMUs with the unpowered MLs is kind of silly and defeats the benefits of having self-propelled cars IMO)

The contract was voted on and awarded, so yes...specs development is ongoing. Won't be anything to report on it until the engineering firm doing the work delivers its work, which wouldn't be expected for probably 2 years after contract was issued. Probably a question to be asking next summer on ETA's for these results.

They did drop the MLV power car idea they were toying with a few years prior as too radical for implementation. The "power car" terminology in that document is a little bit of a misnomer; they meant regular old EMU. These are going to be vanilla EMU's akin to the Arrows. They will be shoved into the MLV carbody (much like the Arrows are more or less templated on the Comet carbody), but they're real EMU's that can only trainline with EMU's. MU electronics are way too different from 'dumb' HEP hookups in coaches to ever use an existing MLV as a trailer. They would've had to go with that very radical power car idea to make that work, and obviously the technical challenges with that wildly unproven technology scared them away so they went more conservatively with conventional EMU tech.

Only question is whether the specs call for all- married pairs, or some mix of pairs and singlets. We'll find out when this engineering work is released to the public as an RFP document in a year or two.

[R36 Combine Coach]

These are going to be vanilla EMU's akin to the Arrows. They will be shoved into the MLV carbody (much like the Arrows are more or less templated on the Comet carbody)

The Arrows are based on the Silverliner/Pioneer series, dating back to late 1950s/early 60s and evolved in several stages, not a MU in a Comet body.

[Matt Johnson]

Seems like an add-on order for the Silverliner V would've been a lot cheaper, but NJ Transit likes to go for the expensive custom designed stuff.