Rotem Cars Discussion (new bi-level cars)

I believe such crumple zones are required by current FRA regulations. Hopefully we'll never find out how well the ones on our R-cars work.

All of the T's coaches are up to the latest crashworthy standards. Metrolink's Rotem cabs have those those new false locomotive-like noses on the ends for paranoia-level protection above and beyond the current regs:



That's not really as much above-and-beyond protection as it looks. You're talking minute degrees of difference at the trade-off of there being no pass-thru door or any capability of running the cab car mid-set as a blind trailer on an as-needed basis (which often happens on very large fleets). And it's not a new idea. The very first Budd SPV-2000 pilot cars did that 37 years ago before their faux-noses were removed out of general pointlessness.


If you're looking for a next-generation pass-thru cab car with *somewhat*-enhanced crashworthiness, it's probably going to look something like Amtrak's new Nippon-Sharyo corridor-configured Superliners currently on-order:

Just a little bit of evolutionary rounding to set the engineer's cab back a little. And still...splitting-hairs levels of difference. Our coaches have plenty good crashworthiness.

The Metrolink(SCAX) Cab Cars were a joint Metrolink/Rotem design developed after the Chatsworth wreck.
That cab car design is also used in Fl by Tri-Rail.

And then there were three. NETransit is showing 816 as accepted and assigned north. That leaves 825, 1821,1824 as unaccepted.

Diverging Route wrote:And then there were three. NETransit is showing 816 as accepted and assigned north. That leaves 825, 1821,1824 as unaccepted.

With any luck they'll make it in-service before the third anniversary of the first unit's delivery.


Now how many of them are left in line for the Seaview warranty mods program?

And now there is one. NETransit showing as of today only 1824 unaccepted.

Diverging Route wrote:And now there is one. NETransit showing as of today only 1824 unaccepted.

And..... it's done.

NETransit is showing 1824 accepted as of yesterday, assigned to Old Colony.

It only took three years from mobilization from the plant of the first car to acceptance of the last one.. Not to mention, the whole program from the time of contract grant and official order almost an entire two term presidency stint.

ACeInTheHole wrote:It only took three years from mobilization from the plant of the first car to acceptance of the last one.. Not to mention, the whole program from the time of contract grant and official order almost an entire two term presidency stint.

Oh, it's still not done. The Rotem warranty modifications encampment at Seaview is still going strong after a year with 11 accepted cars currently OOS in Davisville, RI and who knows how many more still left to churn through that program. I haven't seen the warranty mod lineup change in weeks on NETransit. So they have still have never...ever...had anything close to ¾-or-better fleet availability on these things. There's still a chance of the HSP-46's beating them to that finish line.

Nothing could beat the length of time it took for the Green Line Type 8's to get from first delivery to last car accepted. It took them almost TEN YEARS!

ck4049 wrote:Nothing could beat the length of time it took for the Green Line Type 8's to get from first delivery to last car accepted. It took them almost TEN YEARS!

At least the entire order was completed, five Type 8s were never finished!

scrap the rotems....time for a new order from Kawasaki if you ask me

can't give 'em back now...saw one had been tagged outside BET.

We could use some fricking lasers to explode those cans of paint.

F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:

ACeInTheHole wrote:It only took three years from mobilization from the plant of the first car to acceptance of the last one.. Not to mention, the whole program from the time of contract grant and official order almost an entire two term presidency stint.

Oh, it's still not done. The Rotem warranty modifications encampment at Seaview is still going strong after a year with 11 accepted cars currently OOS in Davisville, RI and who knows how many more still left to churn through that program. I haven't seen the warranty mod lineup change in weeks on NETransit. So they have still have never...ever...had anything close to ¾-or-better fleet availability on these things. There's still a chance of the HSP-46's beating them to that finish line.

Someone down there would have to do a count on what they have stored down at the port by NORAD, then see what they have stored at the engine house (disclaimer, they can fit three or four in there at a time, so add that to whatever's on the leads.). Call me crazy, but after this past winter someone down there must be counting down the cars until they get their engine house back in it's entirety!

Finally some movement...4 graduates from Rotem camp return from Seaview after a month-plus of zero progress. 9 still down there, 14 in-service cars still to be rotated down.


At this rate the HSP-46 order will only beat the Rotem order to completion by...like two or three months.