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This cutting to the bone with the resulting fatigue is a dangerous item. Is the UP collision that killed both crew a result of fatigue?
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eolesen wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:45 pm The UP policy isn't unlike what I've seen for flight attendants or other non-fixed schedule jobs.First may I say spoken like a true manager BRAVO. I have had the opportunity to serve under many of your type through out my career and it all comes down to the same thing. No clue what goes on outside the four walls they look at each day or they could not make it in the craft they hired out in so they chose the managerial rout.
Bottom line is that you're not working in retail or a warehouse. You're in a time critical job where your absences have a huge ripple effect on others.
Average comp goes from 95K to 110K plus benefits of 40-50K in value.
That ain't chump change. Good money has a cost. Quit your pissing & moaning about being expected to show up to work already and cash the checks.
If you want the ability to miss work with no real impact or consequences, I'm sure Amazon has a warehouse job open somewhere near you.
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Railjunkie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:02 am I would also share the luxurious accommodations that the railroads find for us on our layovers would never fly with airline personnel. I'm sure you all would love to stay in a room infested with bed bugs or perhaps walk in and find a rat on your bed.Mr. Junkie, for what it be worth, on my overseas journey last month, I "picked up on it" that at least some United Attendants "not exactly doing cartwheels" over the accommodations near Munich. Now I realize and respect that an Attendant will not share with a passenger the actual hotel at which they stay, but such is out by the airport which means they are isolated from any kind of restaurants beyond whatever the hotel offers. May as well just stock up at the airport's C-Store (I think it is Edeka - a 7-11 type outfit over there) and have "Dinner" sitting atop one's bed.
Railjunkie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:02 amAMEN, brother!eolesen wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:45 pm The UP policy isn't unlike what I've seen for flight attendants or other non-fixed schedule jobs.First may I say spoken like a true manager BRAVO. I have had the opportunity to serve under many of your type through out my career and it all comes down to the same thing. No clue what goes on outside the four walls they look at each day or they could not make it in the craft they hired out in so they chose the managerial rout.
Bottom line is that you're not working in retail or a warehouse. You're in a time critical job where your absences have a huge ripple effect on others.
Average comp goes from 95K to 110K plus benefits of 40-50K in value.
That ain't chump change. Good money has a cost. Quit your pissing & moaning about being expected to show up to work already and cash the checks.
If you want the ability to miss work with no real impact or consequences, I'm sure Amazon has a warehouse job open somewhere near you.
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https://unitedafa.org/docs/grievance/di ... -guide.pdf
https://ble-t.com/resc/pdf_tey_attendance_072821.pdf
As Mr eolesen is or was a United Airlines employee I decided to pull their attendance policy. I will let him explain how they are similar other than the fact they are points based. A quick perusal and the point system is similar but different. Plus I would like to add the normal stewardess works about 150 hours a month of which 100ish is flying. Pilots work about 230 hours a month of which 80ish are spent in the air.
Granted a completely different skill set. Freight T&E crews work 240 to 288 hours a month. That is in all types of weather in some pretty "nice" neighborhoods or maybe you better check that switch stand for snakes before you throw it. Ain't nobody coming to help you boy if you get bit and the chemicals that maybe on that train can kill you dead in a second if your not paying attention. Moving heavy equipment when your tired wet hungry and under pressure to get the job done is difficult enough. Made worse because some bean counter who never set foot on the ground and only played with daddy's Lionel trains decided its cheaper to do the work with one person than it was with two or three is a recipe for trouble.
I would also share the luxurious accommodations that the railroads find for us on our layovers would never fly with airline personnel. I'm sure you all would love to stay in a room infested with bed bugs or perhaps walk in and find a rat on your bed. Mice and roaches ohh my. How can you get a good nights sleep when you are next to a NYC fire department that goes on call like every half hour it seems. A few personal favorites a shared with me from my freight brothers and my own personal experiences. A by the hour hotel well it was for the johns anyway. A swimming pool filled with used condoms, needles and a gentleman behind the desk with a .357. Pulling the covers back to find out they never changes the sheets and they are soiled, fucking awesome ain't it. During COVID a hotel we used turned into a homeless shelter on one side and you had instances of homeless trying to break in while crews were sleeping. No I am not making this up I have no reason to.
Sure you could move your room but its still the same crappy hotel.
Yup we should shut the f up and cash our checks. Nah I have a better idea Mr eolesen why not get rid of the shirt and tie hire out and see this for yourself. BNSF UP and Amtrak are all hiring. If the job is so great come get some.
bsweep wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:19 am . At my competitor airline, United, the unions have veto rights when selecting a hotel. Some of it also is where we stay and locations. Not surprising that here in Nashville CSX stays here as well.Captain Sweep, what you have reported here aligns with what I noted regarding United flight crews at Munich.
Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:07 amAn acquaintance is a first seat on a 737 for Delta from the way he made it sound when it comes to accommodations it better be four stars for pilots or there will be issues. I have stayed in some decent hotels at times not any place I would bring my family. Except maybe that one in Montreal, not in the summer though it had no A/C.bsweep wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:19 am . At my competitor airline, United, the unions have veto rights when selecting a hotel. Some of it also is where we stay and locations. Not surprising that here in Nashville CSX stays here as well.Captain Sweep, what you have reported here aligns with what I noted regarding United flight crews at Munich.
Who knows, and I realize "that's the other guys" for you, the United Officers exercised the provision you note in their Agreement, and said "we like it downtown (Stadtmitte) and that's where we stay".
Meanwhile "back on the rails", I guess Mr. Junkie, and for that matter his Class I Brothers and Sisters, are not expecting anytime soon the prerogative afforded United Officers. I guess the best that can be hoped for is that Local Chairmen can prevail and enforce the "suitable lodging" provision within the Agreements.
But based upon Mr. Junkie's reports, such does not appear on the horizon.
BandA wrote:It surprises me that they have these powerful unions, yet they can't force the railroad to clean the toilets or fix the cab weatherstripping? And this artificial demarcation of what is in the National Agreement and everything else has to be negotiated locally.This.