• Pets on Amtrak - New Law in Congress

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Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by miamicanes
 
IMHO, a common-sense initial policy would be something along the lines of the following:

For long-distance trains having at least two sleeping cars, one roomette and one bedroom would be set aside in one of the sleeper cars for passengers traveling with pets, subject to the following limits:

Roomette (one human only): one cat or dog under 25lbs.

Bedroom, one human: three cats, two dogs having combined weight of 40lbs, one larger dog, or one cat & one dog.

Bedroom, two humans: two cats or one dog (40lb max)

(more details follow in the next post)

By simply setting aside a bedroom and roomette per train and requiring passengers who want to travel with pets to pay whatever it takes to reserve it for their trip, Amtrak avoids having to get its own employees to feed, water, and walk the animals themselves, or worry about temperature in the baggage car.

Most cats would absolutely *love* a roomette... cozy, quiet, lots of interesting nooks & crannies to explore, and plenty of comfy places to curl up and take a nap (opposite seat, lower bunk, upper bunk, under a seat, on top of a seatback, in the ceiling suitcase nook above the corridor, etc., when they aren't standing on their hind legs and eagerly looking out the window, and a bedroom is easily big enough for even a large dog that's mellow enough to deal with a car trip.
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  by miamicanes
 
(details that were formerly in my previous post, but were moved into this one to avoid overwhelming people who just want "the big picture")

Rooms would start out at the same price as the other ones, with a catch... for 14 days after reservation, or until 28 days before departure (whichever happened first), others could offer to pay Amtrak more than you did and take the room away from you unless you agreed within 72 hours to match their offer (as the original purchaser, you'd have right of first refusal). For convenience, you could auto-agree to some maximum amount less than or equal to double the nominal rate, and automatically win once and for all if the price hit double the initial reservation price and you matched it. If you got outbid, your entire price would be refunded.

Cats must be in carriers when not in room, and must be "secure" whenever the door is partly or fully open so they can't slip out. Passengers may bring a soft carrier for use in-room, and check a hard carrier with the attendant after boarding & have it returned an hour prior to arrival.

Dogs must be on a leash or in a carrier at all times when the room door is open and/or when boarding or getting off. Before exiting the room with the dog, passenger must notify the attendant, who will notify passengers who might be waiting by the door so they can move if desired. As with cats, hard carriers can be checked as baggage after boarding and retrieved prior to arrival. Passengers intending to walk dogs at a stop must be ready to get off immediately upon arrival at the station. A grassy patch with faux fire hydrant lies within 100 feet of the tracks. Passengers are handed a poop scoop and bag by the attendant prior to getting off, and sternly reminded that there's a video camera watching their every move & their dog will be banned from Amtrak for at least a year if they leave behind a "landmine".

Bottled water is available from attendant. Food must be provided by passengers.

Disposable litter boxes and litter available for purchase, and REQUIRED for passengers with cats unless the passenger brings his own. Only disposable litter boxes that can be bagged, tightly sealed, and thrown away are allowed. Box must be bagged and sealed prior to arrival at destination to avoid additional charge. Plastic bags in dispenser and airtight waste receptacle provided. Litterbox normally sits by the door, but can be stowed temporarily under the second seat while preparing the roomette for bed, and sit under the lower bunk (between the two seats) overnight.

"Accidents" must be cleaned up by the passenger, or a $100 cleaning fee will be charged. A bottle of enzymatic cleaner will be provided in the room's closet along with paper towels.

A dog who barks "excessively" (at the discretion of the attendant, with less and less discretion as the number of other passengers who complain increases) on the outbound leg of a trip will be allowed to make the return trip, but will be banned from travel on Amtrak for doubling periods that begin at 6 months and are reduced by 50% for each complaint-free trip thereafter if the dog also barks excessively on the return trip. A dog who behaves on the outbound leg, but barks excessively on the return, will not be banished initially, but the passenger will be warned that a repeat performance on the next outbound trip will immediately escalate into a 1-year banishment following the return trip (6 months, if the dog behaves for the outbound trip, but barks excessively for the return, and 2 years if the dog barks excessively on the outbound trip AND the return). The idea is to cut owners who've never traveled with pets a bit of slack, and refrain from leaving them stranded (or force the owner to endanger them by flying them home... air travel as cargo for pets is EXTREMELY dangerous), but make sure the owners understand that their dogs are welcome only as long as they can behave themselves. Personally, I'd love to see the same policy applied to infants and children, but I know that would be politically untenable ;-)

When booking online, passengers who are NOT traveling with a pet will be asked to indicate the minimum discount they'd insist upon for travel in the "pet (bed)room(ette)". If all roommettes or bedrooms are sold EXCEPT the ones set aside for pets, travelers will be offered the option of either booking the room at the normal fare, or paying the lowest-bidding other passenger with overlapping travel plans to take it instead. In other words, if the thought of a roomette used by cats is untenable to someone faced with the last-available roomette between Philadelphia and Orlando, but a NYP-Orlando (or WPB..Miami) passenger is willing to take it for a $120 discount, that cat-hating passenger can pay the extra $120 & the other one will be happy to get a discount. A similar bid-offer mechanism might be incorporated to accommodate passengers who are *vehemently* opposed to sharing a railcar with animals (random assignment to one or the other, but if you *really* hate the idea, you can find someone willing to ride in the pet car for $x, and pay him to do it willingly and guarantee your room in the other car).

No, this isn't the kind of single-sentence policy the kind of people who'd rather not have animals on the train at all would prefer to see... but by clearly laying out expectations, it would have the potential to not just satisfy the letter of the law, but could actually drive substantial new business for Amtrak as well. Air travel with pets (especially as cargo) is EXTREMELY dangerous, and Amtrak would quickly become the preferred way to safely transport pets across the country.

A single roomette and bedroom on a long-distance train set aside for pet travel would be largely revenue-neutral (if they went unsold, at least one of each room would have probably gone unsold anyway, and if push came to shove, someone who can't deal with a room that had cats and dogs in it could transparently and automatically find the passenger who'd object the least and pay them to take it instead).
  by 25Hz
 
Ken W2KB wrote:
25Hz wrote:
Ken W2KB wrote:
25Hz wrote:As someone who has helped raise and transport and care for hundreds of domestic animals over many years, I feel this is a bad idea.

This coming before things like ending sequestration is, as an American citizen, insulting. Usually I'd love to inject a bolt of humor into things like this, but it's wrong to talk about bills for pets on trains when thousands of people are on furlough with no end in sight. People with financial responsibilities, kids, lives.
There are thousands of bills introduced each session, and the vast majority, if not all, are drafted by staff, not the elected officials. Only the significant bills are discussed in committee, etc. by the elected officials. Highly unlikely this bill will divert any resources from very significant legislative activities.
I'm aware of how the federal government works, and my first point is far more relevant than my second point. This bill is a waste of time, pets should not be allowed on board coaches, and most animals need constant looking after on any length of journey so baggage wouldn't be acceptable either. People have allergies and phobias and pet owners can be very irresponsible and the animals themselves may be well trained or behave otherwise but a train ride may freak them out. Amtrak's job is to move people and their luggage, and unless you're moving there is absolutely no need to bring any animals with you on any trip You can't leave them in a car and unless you're taking them for a walk or a swim at the beach they stay at home. I've been fortunate enough to work with service dogs and help facilitate train trips for end clients or puppy raisers, but those are strictly trained dogs with incredibly responsible handlers and those trips are primarily to expose the dogs to new things such as a train ride, which ultimately can lead to them doing other things such as attend events and meetings via train or accompany their person to wherever. And you can't compare it with flying, only dogs can really handle that, but it is very stressful for them.

No amount of thinking would make this work, unless the feds are willing to pay amtrak to hire a qualified pet attendant to ride in the climate controlled baggage car. And what if the train loses HEP, then what?
I've been on flights where some passengers had dogs or cats in crates. Stressful to the animals, yes, but so is boarding in a kennel for those animals used to owner coddling. What is it about Amtrak that you believe makes Amtrak incapable of handing crated pets? Amtrak's airline competition does that just fine and routinely, both as carry on and in cargo? Why do you have such a low opinion of Amtrak's ability?

As to HEP, when cabin pressurization fails, oxygen masks are available for humans. The airlines specifically state that oxygen is not available for pets. Loss of HEP is inconsequential in comparison.
Just where to even start....

No, i'm not going to waste my time arguing. It's a stupid idea and i hope it gets pigeonholed.
  by Ken W2KB
 
miamicanes wrote:(details that were formerly in my previous post, but were moved into this one to avoid overwhelming people who just want "the big picture")

Rooms would start out at the same price as the other ones, with a catch... for 14 days after reservation, or until 28 days before departure (whichever happened first), others could offer to pay Amtrak more than you did and take the room away from you unless you agreed within 72 hours to match their offer (as the original purchaser, you'd have right of first refusal). For convenience, you could auto-agree to some maximum amount less than or equal to double the nominal rate, and automatically win once and for all if the price hit double the initial reservation price and you matched it. If you got outbid, your entire price would be refunded.

Cats must be in carriers when not in room, and must be "secure" whenever the door is partly or fully open so they can't slip out. Passengers may bring a soft carrier for use in-room, and check a hard carrier with the attendant after boarding & have it returned an hour prior to arrival.

Dogs must be on a leash or in a carrier at all times when the room door is open and/or when boarding or getting off. Before exiting the room with the dog, passenger must notify the attendant, who will notify passengers who might be waiting by the door so they can move if desired. As with cats, hard carriers can be checked as baggage after boarding and retrieved prior to arrival. Passengers intending to walk dogs at a stop must be ready to get off immediately upon arrival at the station. A grassy patch with faux fire hydrant lies within 100 feet of the tracks. Passengers are handed a poop scoop and bag by the attendant prior to getting off, and sternly reminded that there's a video camera watching their every move & their dog will be banned from Amtrak for at least a year if they leave behind a "landmine".

Bottled water is available from attendant. Food must be provided by passengers.

Disposable litter boxes and litter available for purchase, and REQUIRED for passengers with cats unless the passenger brings his own. Only disposable litter boxes that can be bagged, tightly sealed, and thrown away are allowed. Box must be bagged and sealed prior to arrival at destination to avoid additional charge. Plastic bags in dispenser and airtight waste receptacle provided. Litterbox normally sits by the door, but can be stowed temporarily under the second seat while preparing the roomette for bed, and sit under the lower bunk (between the two seats) overnight.

"Accidents" must be cleaned up by the passenger, or a $100 cleaning fee will be charged. A bottle of enzymatic cleaner will be provided in the room's closet along with paper towels.

A dog who barks "excessively" (at the discretion of the attendant, with less and less discretion as the number of other passengers who complain increases) on the outbound leg of a trip will be allowed to make the return trip, but will be banned from travel on Amtrak for doubling periods that begin at 6 months and are reduced by 50% for each complaint-free trip thereafter if the dog also barks excessively on the return trip. A dog who behaves on the outbound leg, but barks excessively on the return, will not be banished initially, but the passenger will be warned that a repeat performance on the next outbound trip will immediately escalate into a 1-year banishment following the return trip (6 months, if the dog behaves for the outbound trip, but barks excessively for the return, and 2 years if the dog barks excessively on the outbound trip AND the return). The idea is to cut owners who've never traveled with pets a bit of slack, and refrain from leaving them stranded (or force the owner to endanger them by flying them home... air travel as cargo for pets is EXTREMELY dangerous), but make sure the owners understand that their dogs are welcome only as long as they can behave themselves. Personally, I'd love to see the same policy applied to infants and children, but I know that would be politically untenable ;-)

When booking online, passengers who are NOT traveling with a pet will be asked to indicate the minimum discount they'd insist upon for travel in the "pet (bed)room(ette)". If all roommettes or bedrooms are sold EXCEPT the ones set aside for pets, travelers will be offered the option of either booking the room at the normal fare, or paying the lowest-bidding other passenger with overlapping travel plans to take it instead. In other words, if the thought of a roomette used by cats is untenable to someone faced with the last-available roomette between Philadelphia and Orlando, but a NYP-Orlando (or WPB..Miami) passenger is willing to take it for a $120 discount, that cat-hating passenger can pay the extra $120 & the other one will be happy to get a discount. A similar bid-offer mechanism might be incorporated to accommodate passengers who are *vehemently* opposed to sharing a railcar with animals (random assignment to one or the other, but if you *really* hate the idea, you can find someone willing to ride in the pet car for $x, and pay him to do it willingly and guarantee your room in the other car).

No, this isn't the kind of single-sentence policy the kind of people who'd rather not have animals on the train at all would prefer to see... but by clearly laying out expectations, it would have the potential to not just satisfy the letter of the law, but could actually drive substantial new business for Amtrak as well. Air travel with pets (especially as cargo) is EXTREMELY dangerous, and Amtrak would quickly become the preferred way to safely transport pets across the country.

A single roomette and bedroom on a long-distance train set aside for pet travel would be largely revenue-neutral (if they went unsold, at least one of each room would have probably gone unsold anyway, and if push came to shove, someone who can't deal with a room that had cats and dogs in it could transparently and automatically find the passenger who'd object the least and pay them to take it instead).
Some of what you suggest has merit. I strongly disagree with the ability to revoke a reservation once made. That uncertainty would chill many passengers from booking sleeper space. Further, the administrative burden of the offer, bids, changes, etc. would be extremely confusing to most people and is so unweildy as to be unworkable. "Stern" warnings are rather opposed to customer service and friendliness in which Amtrak staff is trained and expected to exhibit. A pleasant request would be in order. It would be very costly to review video for enforcement, as well as difficult to identify the passengers at fault. The scoop would suffice if there was a nearby disposal receptacle at the station.

What is your rationale for the size limit (in pounds) for a dog in a bedroom. Bedrooms have plenty of floorspace for any size dog. The limit on the number of animals is appropriate.

I suppose that anti-bark collars (both the compressed gas and electric types) could be stocked for sale in the lounge/cafe car.

I would not characterize air cargo travel for pets as dangerous, and especially not "extremely dangerous." In July of last year for all US airline flights in the aggregate, two pets were injured, one died. The prior month, two died, none injured. Compare that to automobile travel injuries and death to pets, either per mile or per hour - certainly much higher incident rate. See: http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/atcr12.htm
  by miamicanes
 
Actually, the dog-related items and bedroom-related items were kind of extrapolated from my experience with cats and travel in roomettes. I've never actually been IN a Viewliner bedroom or traveled with a dog.

As a practical matter, as long as at least one of the cats were vertically-agile and the human were able-bodied and non-obese, even two cats in a roomette would probably be a total non-issue for other passengers.

The bidding war idea was just a random thought for allowing Amtrak to sell it to stakeholders as a minimal-risk revenue-maximizing strategy (I can *easily* see someone getting into a heated bidding war and spending several thousand dollars to reserve one of the pet rooms between NYP and Miami the week before or after holidays like Christmas). The "double fare locks it in once and for all", and "initial reservation has 72-hour right of first refusal" were to allow passengers to reduce the risk of getting outbid by just biting the bullet and couging up an obscene amount of money up front.

IMHO, NYP-Florida and Autotrain have the most immediate potential for pet travel (possibly augmented by Chicago-DC), simply because there are SO MANY people who live in the northeast and have vacation homes in Florida.
  by Ridgefielder
 
MattW wrote:I very highly doubt Amtrak would allow anything but animals enclosed in kennels, and then only on short, non-overnight routes. Commuter railroads and other transit services get away with this every day, heck I believe Metro North has no size restrictions and no kennel requirement, and they all do just fine. Sure, the ride is longer on Amtrak, even the "short" routes, but how long does flea exposure take? Tick exposure? Couldn't one of them have an accident just as easily as on Amtrak?
Nope, Metro-North has neither. I've ridden up to Ridgefield (90+ minutes from GCT) on the Friday of a holiday weekend with my own dog (25lb poodle) asleep on the floor by my feet-- and a Bernese mountain dog happily riding the floor by his master in the facing seats by the vestibule. Seen plenty of dogs on the train over the years and no accidents. I'm sure they happen-- but then again, they can happen to passengers, too (as people on this board who have either worked or ridden the 1:47 a.m. "vomit comet" to New Haven can probably attest.)

Then again, considering we're talking about the train from New York (bed bug central) to Connecticut (where Lyme Disease is endemic), I've got bigger worries in the insect department than a flea-infested fido.
  by EastCleveland
 
Ridgefielder wrote:
Then again, considering we're talking about the train from New York (bed bug central) to Connecticut (where Lyme Disease is endemic), I've got bigger worries in the insect department than a flea-infested fido.
Dogs do get Lyme disease, and can carry Lyme-infected ticks picked up in surburban areas. In turn, the dog can transfer the diseased ticks to you (and other passengers) who brush against them.

Dogs rarely carry bedbugs (which prefer human blood). But it's not unknown. If the dog lives in an extremely infested house, the sheer number of bugs forces some to take up residence in bedding used by the dog.

And again, fleas can and do jump off of even well-behaved dogs. On to you. On to your clothing. On to any bags, backpacks, or luggage in close proximity.

Please make sure to collect your belongings before leaving the train. And thank you for riding Metro-North!

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  by charlie6017
 
I don't like it a bit, but I'm not sure this will even get through anyway.

I like cats and dogs, but am allergic to most of them due to dander. My son is special needs and is
very much afraid of them, regardless of how friendly and loving these pets might be. That's a work in
progress, but it would make for a difficult situation if we were seated near them.

Nothing against these pets or their owners, but I hope this gets shot down swiftly.

Charlie
  by 25Hz
 
charlie6017 wrote:I don't like it a bit, but I'm not sure this will even get through anyway.

I like cats and dogs, but am allergic to most of them due to dander. My son is special needs and is
very much afraid of them, regardless of how friendly and loving these pets might be. That's a work in
progress, but it would make for a difficult situation if we were seated near them.

Nothing against these pets or their owners, but I hope this gets shot down swiftly.

Charlie
And who wants to sit in a compartment that smells like dog/cat & has fur all over?

The suggestion of anti-bark collars is asinine. They are inhumane and I guarantee you animal rights groups would come down hard on Amtrak if they even hinted at such nonsense.

Letting any animal out of their travel crate to "explore the nooks and crannies" is possibly the most irresponsible suggestion I've ever read on here.

The fact is, no one is going to want to do this and responsible pet owners find a sitter or have dogs/cats stay with family or friend. Stays in boarding kennels are a last resort.

I've been looking after animals for 18 years, and no one that has taken the train as part of their trip had ever once expressed any notion of any interest or thought of taking their animal on a train with them anywhere.

So done with this topic. It's just irritating me at this point. :\
  by Ken W2KB
 
The Humane Society of the US, the largest animal protection group, a week ago announced its strong support for the Bill and Amtrak resuming the transportation of pets:

“Millions of American families have beloved pets, and allowing them to travel by train will support the human-animal bond,” said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The Humane Society of the United States. “We are grateful to Congressmen Denham and Cohen for introducing this common-sense legislation to help pet owners.”

Complete press release at:

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press ... 52213.html
  by Noel Weaver
 
miamicanes wrote:(details that were formerly in my previous post, but were moved into this one to avoid overwhelming people who just want "the big picture")

Rooms would start out at the same price as the other ones, with a catch... for 14 days after reservation, or until 28 days before departure (whichever happened first), others could offer to pay Amtrak more than you did and take the room away from you unless you agreed within 72 hours to match their offer (as the original purchaser, you'd have right of first refusal). For convenience, you could auto-agree to some maximum amount less than or equal to double the nominal rate, and automatically win once and for all if the price hit double the initial reservation price and you matched it. If you got outbid, your entire price would be refunded.

Cats must be in carriers when not in room, and must be "secure" whenever the door is partly or fully open so they can't slip out. Passengers may bring a soft carrier for use in-room, and check a hard carrier with the attendant after boarding & have it returned an hour prior to arrival.

Dogs must be on a leash or in a carrier at all times when the room door is open and/or when boarding or getting off. Before exiting the room with the dog, passenger must notify the attendant, who will notify passengers who might be waiting by the door so they can move if desired. As with cats, hard carriers can be checked as baggage after boarding and retrieved prior to arrival. Passengers intending to walk dogs at a stop must be ready to get off immediately upon arrival at the station. A grassy patch with faux fire hydrant lies within 100 feet of the tracks. Passengers are handed a poop scoop and bag by the attendant prior to getting off, and sternly reminded that there's a video camera watching their every move & their dog will be banned from Amtrak for at least a year if they leave behind a "landmine".

Bottled water is available from attendant. Food must be provided by passengers.

Disposable litter boxes and litter available for purchase, and REQUIRED for passengers with cats unless the passenger brings his own. Only disposable litter boxes that can be bagged, tightly sealed, and thrown away are allowed. Box must be bagged and sealed prior to arrival at destination to avoid additional charge. Plastic bags in dispenser and airtight waste receptacle provided. Litterbox normally sits by the door, but can be stowed temporarily under the second seat while preparing the roomette for bed, and sit under the lower bunk (between the two seats) overnight.

"Accidents" must be cleaned up by the passenger, or a $100 cleaning fee will be charged. A bottle of enzymatic cleaner will be provided in the room's closet along with paper towels.

A dog who barks "excessively" (at the discretion of the attendant, with less and less discretion as the number of other passengers who complain increases) on the outbound leg of a trip will be allowed to make the return trip, but will be banned from travel on Amtrak for doubling periods that begin at 6 months and are reduced by 50% for each complaint-free trip thereafter if the dog also barks excessively on the return trip. A dog who behaves on the outbound leg, but barks excessively on the return, will not be banished initially, but the passenger will be warned that a repeat performance on the next outbound trip will immediately escalate into a 1-year banishment following the return trip (6 months, if the dog behaves for the outbound trip, but barks excessively for the return, and 2 years if the dog barks excessively on the outbound trip AND the return). The idea is to cut owners who've never traveled with pets a bit of slack, and refrain from leaving them stranded (or force the owner to endanger them by flying them home... air travel as cargo for pets is EXTREMELY dangerous), but make sure the owners understand that their dogs are welcome only as long as they can behave themselves. Personally, I'd love to see the same policy applied to infants and children, but I know that would be politically untenable ;-)

When booking online, passengers who are NOT traveling with a pet will be asked to indicate the minimum discount they'd insist upon for travel in the "pet (bed)room(ette)". If all roommettes or bedrooms are sold EXCEPT the ones set aside for pets, travelers will be offered the option of either booking the room at the normal fare, or paying the lowest-bidding other passenger with overlapping travel plans to take it instead. In other words, if the thought of a roomette used by cats is untenable to someone faced with the last-available roomette between Philadelphia and Orlando, but a NYP-Orlando (or WPB..Miami) passenger is willing to take it for a $120 discount, that cat-hating passenger can pay the extra $120 & the other one will be happy to get a discount. A similar bid-offer mechanism might be incorporated to accommodate passengers who are *vehemently* opposed to sharing a railcar with animals (random assignment to one or the other, but if you *really* hate the idea, you can find someone willing to ride in the pet car for $x, and pay him to do it willingly and guarantee your room in the other car).

No, this isn't the kind of single-sentence policy the kind of people who'd rather not have animals on the train at all would prefer to see... but by clearly laying out expectations, it would have the potential to not just satisfy the letter of the law, but could actually drive substantial new business for Amtrak as well. Air travel with pets (especially as cargo) is EXTREMELY dangerous, and Amtrak would quickly become the preferred way to safely transport pets across the country.

A single roomette and bedroom on a long-distance train set aside for pet travel would be largely revenue-neutral (if they went unsold, at least one of each room would have probably gone unsold anyway, and if push came to shove, someone who can't deal with a room that had cats and dogs in it could transparently and automatically find the passenger who'd object the least and pay them to take it instead).
I wonder how many people Amtrak would have to either hire or designate to handle this idea? I think it would be better to just forget it period.
Noel Weaver
  by charlie6017
 
I agree, Noel. I think the only people that would be in a tizzy are the people that seem to enjoy
having Fi-Fi in the front seat with them as they drive their cars (don't even get me started on that one).

Charlie
  by 25Hz
 
charlie6017 wrote:I agree, Noel. I think the only people that would be in a tizzy are the people that seem to enjoy
having Fi-Fi in the front seat with them as they drive their cars (don't even get me started on that one).

Charlie
That is actually illegal in an increasing number of states, NJ being one of them. PA has similar legislation upcoming as part of a broader traffic safety initiative, which includes cell phone/hands free restrictions similar to NY and NJ.
  by ST214
 
This is crazy! All the issues going on in this country and Washington wants to work on putting animals on trains? This is a downright BAD idea. The only thing I can say is if Amtrak can charge for the pet, set the bar high, say $500 a pet. I would not want to be stuck in a car with other people's animals, not to mention the lawsuits that will happen when the person allergic to pet hair boards and the only seats are in the pet car.

BTW, I do have a dog. She is NOT friendly.
  by charlie6017
 
25Hz wrote:
charlie6017 wrote:I agree, Noel. I think the only people that would be in a tizzy are the people that seem to enjoy
having Fi-Fi in the front seat with them as they drive their cars (don't even get me started on that one).

Charlie
That is actually illegal in an increasing number of states, NJ being one of them. PA has similar legislation upcoming as part of a broader traffic safety initiative, which includes cell phone/hands free restrictions similar to NY and NJ.
That's good to know........when I drove school buses for a living, I can't tell you how many times I saw this.

I don't want to get too far off track here. I have no issues with pets on the trains, provided they are away from the public, such
as the baggage car.

Charlie
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