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 #1313968  by charlie6017
 
This thread is for the discussion of the operations, equipment, and history of the Catskill Mountain Railroad, operators of the former New York Central Catskill Mountain Branch (former Ulster & Delaware Railroad). Any relevant news stories posted from outside sources require a link to the original article plus a brief "fair-use" quote.

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Here's hoping for good things for the CMRR in 2015 and beyond! :-D

Charlie
 #1317508  by scoostraw
 
AMTK822401 wrote:Hein and the trail people would throw a fit if they ran a steamer in Kingston.
Exactly the point.

With all the stuff they have in Arkville, even they don't have a steam locomotive in service. This would be a news-worthy event to rival or even top the "Thomas" and "Polar" trains. It would be worthy of a NY Times article - including of course how the county executive wants to pull the rug out from under the railroad.

I'd love to see it. Get some more track fixed up and run it up to the reservoir..
 #1318421  by eehiv
 
Kingston, NY -- February 17, 2015 --The Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) posted total ridership of 40,270 for 2014, a major increase from 14,823 passengers in 2013. Revenues also increased to an estimated $1 million in 2014/2015 up from $117,210 in 2013/2014, according to a statement released this week by the organization. The CMRR estimates its economic impact on Ulster County rose to over $3 million in 2014 from $1.3 million in 2013 with 75% of that impact centered in Kingston.

"If you look at the county's major tourist attractions," said CMRR President, Ernie Hunt, "you see Belleayre Mt. Ski Center, HITS, and the Headless Horseman. With more than 40,000 visitors between Kingston and Phoenicia, we are now within the top five tourist attractors in the county, and certainly the biggest in the city of Kingston." Hunt went on to say that CMRR had incredible support from the Kingston area business community and we couldn't have achieved these results without those collaborations. They provided critical goods and services that made these events special.

Kingston train operations saw passenger numbers climb to 31,289 , up from 4,575 in 2013, an increase of nearly 700 percent overall, while the rest of the 40,270 riders boarded in Phoenicia. Of the Kingston riders, at least 21,278 came from outside Ulster County (21% NYC and Long Island, 21% Orange County, 18% Dutchess County, 17% other Lower Hudson Counties, 11 percent from other NY State Counties, and 12% from out of state) according to zip code analysis. The CMRR delivered significant numbers of riders directly to the doors of Kingston area restaurants and shops last year to do additional spending through the CMRR's "Railroad Dollars" coupon program. Additionally, the CMRR purchased more than $300,000 in goods from 21 different Ulster County businesses.

Building on the improvements gained in 2014, the railroad has also released a new document CMRR Business Plan 2015 to 2020, ( http://www.catskillmtrailroad.com/cmrr_ ... ngston.pdf ) for the Kingston segment of its operations. The plan outlines how the CMRR can more than double its economic impact on Kingston and Ulster County to $7 million a year by extending its Kingston operations an additional five miles to the Glenford Dike on the Ashokan Reservoir. Its plan shows how the addition of a scenic destination such as the Glenford Dike, and adult-themed passenger rides, which require a longer ride and a scenic destination, will transform the CMRR into a major regional tourist attraction focusing on "experiential" tourism.

"Understanding "experiential tourism" is a critical concept for economic development in a tourism economy. Tourists not only travel to see scenic beauty, but also seek entertainment," says Hunt. "Unlike recreational parks and trails, the railroad can combine the scenic beauty of the Catskills with the entertainment of a theme park. This is why the railroad experienced such huge growth in Kingston in 2014, through adding nationally-branded entertainment to its rides."
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Having identified the potential positive tourism and economic impact in the CMRR's new business plan, Hunt, said a December compromise offered by the County Executive was a good first step in creating a comprehensive plan for the Ulster and Delaware corridor that includes a viable tourist train operation in Kingston. "Although we were never given a copy of the Executive's proposal, the compromise as described in the executive's press release to newspapers does seem to show that our differences in the city limits of Kingston are minimal. Even though we may differ on what length of railroad is optimal to create the maximum economic contribution to Ulster County, there is no reason we can't immediately start working together on what we agree on, i.e., the railroad's place in Kingston.

Hunt called for an end to the pointless litigation between the County and the railroad based on the County'€™s ongoing goal to terminate its lease prior to the natural 2016 expiration date. "As we enter into the last year of operation on our 25 year lease, the County's continued efforts to terminate the lease serve no purpose, especially since the County seems to want the special events planned by the railroad to continue in 2015." Hunt called on the County to cease its efforts to terminate its lease and put this litigation behind us so we can sit down and work out the best mixture of rail and trail in the corridor to create the most economic value for the County. More information on the CMRR and all of its activities is available at http://www.catskillmtrailroad.com .
 #1318489  by scoostraw
 
Nice job on the business plan Ernie. Much to read, and I only skimmed it thus far.

Hein has an opportunity here to end up being the hero by supporting this plan. Public support seems to definitely be there. It will be interesting to see this play out.
 #1318817  by BandA
 
5-6 year plan to rehab 5 miles of track, 3? new depots, maintenance facility, storage track, runarounds, upgrade to class-II track, reconnection to the national network, bar/bicycle/dining car(s). Amazing possibilities! And the county gets 5% in rent, good deal for them, they should re-up.
 #1319077  by thebigham
 
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/opinion/201 ... -its-parts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LETTER: Rail with trail greater than sum of its parts


Dear Editor,

I strongly support an unsegmented rail, with a trail alongside, from Kingston, N.Y., to Highmount, N.Y. Rail with trail would clearly have an outcome greater than the sum of its parts, and we would all be winners.

During the six weekends of The Polar Express, pajama-clad children and adults were sighted all over Uptown Kingston and even in Midtown. Thousands and thousands of visitors streamed into Kingston, many for the first time, just because of The Polar Express train event.

In case some may think that these train events are based on cartoons, be aware that, in 1986, the book, “The Polar Express,” received the highly respected and coveted Caldecott Medal in children’s literature for its illustrations. Also, “Day Out With Thomas” is based upon “The Railway Series” books in which Thomas the tank engine first appeared in 1946.

I’m sure that the Ulster County Legislature and the county executive have heard from Kingston businesses about the value and importance of the Catskill Mountain Railroad to our local economy. The economic benefit to Kingston and Ulster County is measurable. The “joie de vivre” is intangible and has added to the quality of life for many local residents and outside visitors.

With fire in their belly and old-fashioned pioneer grit, the Catskill Mountain Railroad has had an outstanding year and has brought fame and fortune to Kingston and Ulster County. I think the Catskill Mountain Railroad deserves “The Pride of Ulster County” award.

Meg Carey

Glenford, N.Y.
 #1319356  by thebigham
 
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LETTER: Ulster County negligent in not studying trail alternatives

Dear Editor:

I am the sort of person who enjoys contemplating “what if” scenarios, and that has led me to wonder why there is no alternative analysis for the Ulster & Delaware trail. So far, all we have heard is an insistent call for the railroad to be ripped up for the trail without any further thought.

So what choices do we have? For starters, we have state Route 28, most of which has a paved, 10-foot-wide shoulder on each side. Guard rails could easily be put up along one side to give trail users more protection. There also are sections of Old Route 28 and other parallel side roads that have little traffic and could be used. Then there are existing trails and abandoned plank roads that have not been taken into account. Portions of the rail right-of-way still could be used, parallel to the tracks.

In short, the county should have funded a full alternatives analysis for the trail instead of engaging in legal squabbles in what has proven to be a futile effort to kick the Catskill Mountain Railroad out so far.

I might add that the railroad has become an economic driver that can’t be ignored. It needs to be fully developed in concert with the trail network.

Bill Hutchison
Largo, Fla.
 #1319811  by thebigham
 
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LETTER: Yet another trail? How about a walking tour of Kingston ... on sidewalks?

Dear Editor:

Yet another trail in a county with many scenic trails? What is special to Kingston is a unique railroad that should be treasured. Some of us can’t walk that far and would appreciate being able to ride on a railroad through as much beautiful scenery as possible that originates in Kingston.

Want walking trails in Kingston? Design some to show off the beautiful woodframe houses in Kingston, our only city, with some of our only sidewalks in the county.

The question is, why haven’t Kingston and Ulster County supported the Herculean efforts of the volunteers trying to restore the Catskill Mountain Railroad with grants to hire people and buy needed materials? We must admire the railroad enthusiasts who did their best in the last few decades.

Shame on Ulster County Executive Michael Hein for not seeing the possibilities for attracting tourists and locals to the Rondout for a railroad trip, a meal and window shopping.

Andi Weiss Bartczak
Gardiner, N.Y.
 #1320730  by thebigham
 
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-new ... -out-areas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Catskill Mountain Railroad offers to help Ulster County repair washed-out areas
By Patricia Doxsey, Daily Freeman

Posted: 03/09/15, 5:34 PM EDT

KINGSTON >> The Catskill Mountain Railroad, which is embroiled in a legal battle with Ulster County, is offering its help repair three washouts on the western end of the former Ulster & Delaware RaiIroad line.

In a March 6 letter to Brian Cunningham, acting commissioner of the county Department of Public Works, Catskill Mountain Railroad President Ernie Hunt said the company “would like to assist Ulster County DPW in any way to help in these repairs.”

He said he appointed the company’s engineer to serve as liaison to the county and asked that Cunningham “schedule a working meeting ... at the soonest practical date.”

Hunt’s offer follows an announcement made by County Executive Michael Hein during a recent Ulster County Regional Chamber of Commerce breakfast that the county will begin repairing the washed out areas.

Deputy County Executive Robert Sudlow said the county’s own professional engineer will begin assessing the damage and how best to proceed with the repairs once spring arrives.

“We have a professional engineer on staff, and I will defer to him,” Sudlow said.

He said he was unaware of Hunt’s letter to Cunningham.

“If I had the letter, my first step would be to go to the county attorney because of the lawsuits that are pending,” Sudlow said.

The Catskill Mountain Railroad and the county are locked in a legal battle stemming from the county’s attempt to evict the railroad for not living up to the terms of its lease of county-owned tracks.

In 2012, Hein announced plans to turn the Ulster & Delaware line east of the Ashokan Reservoir into a pedestrian trail.

In June 2013, the county served the railroad with a notice of default, claiming the railroad failed to live up to the terms of the 25-year lease under which it is allowed to operate tourist trains on the tracks between Kingston and the Delaware County line. The railroad currently uses two sections of track: one in the Kingston-Ulster area and one between Mount Tremper and Phoenicia,

The railroad subsequently filed a lawsuit against the county to stop the eviction prior to the May 31, 2016, the expiration date of the lease, as well as “unspecified damages” it says it’s entitled to because the county made “a number of statements that are derogatory and/or untrue regarding the Catskill Mountain Railroad ... in press releases, articles and/or public meetings.”

The county, in its countersuit, is seeking $1 million in damages it says it is due as a result of the railroad’s default on the lease.

That lawsuit is pending before state Supreme Court Justice Richard Mott...
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