justalurker66 wrote:litz wrote:When safety equipment like this has to be disabled/cut out (due to malfunction, etc), the train doesn't just continue on as if it was still enabled.
It depends on how the equipment is disabled. If I recall correctly, the incident Tadman points to in Michigan had a signal maintainer that cut out a crucial piece of equipment. The system did not see the bypass and as far as the system and train were concerned everything was working fine. Now we can learn from that at come up with a way where required testing can be accomplished without causing a safety risk.
I do not like that there are ways of bypassing the system without at alert and reminders. Perhaps one could call that a design failure but per design the system should not be disabled or bypassed.
You are correct, to my understanding (can't believe it was 6 years ago!), there was a bypass by the maintainer and the signal did not restrict in any way, it just displayed a clear signal. Somehow the bypassing technique let the signal think the route was lined for the main while it was really lined for a very low speed track into a MOW yard.
Bypassing without restrictions means it's not really positive. "Positive" means that in the absence of an active signal noting no hazards from all sources, a restricting signal is displayed because of the lack of 100% clear feedback. For example, in the above Niles case, when the signal is under maintenance, perhaps a restricting signal or 25mph limitation should be enforced for the block under maintenance (are there still blocks in PTC?).
The PTC mandate was sold to the public because of the logic that it was indeed positive, a quality needed and lacking from existing cab signal methods like ATC, ATS, et al... If it's not positive, what did we get sold? Another cab signal? If it's not positive, would it indeed prevent fatalities? Maybe, but not in the Niles case. And it still wouldn't prevent events like the Metro North Valhalla incident (6 fatalities) or the 2011 Nevada truck-on-Zephyr (6 fatalities).
The new Acela: It's not Aveliable.