Any 4000-4300 MU's Anywhere

Just wondering if there are any 4000-4300 MU's to be found anywhere?

UpperHarlemLine4ever wrote:Just wondering if there are any 4000-4300 MU's to be found anywhere?

Yes. In your Toyotas.



Think we might have mentioned that already if they still existed somewhere...

-otto-

Thanks Otto but I'm tallking actual cars. A few years ago there apparently were 2 in Weillington Ohio but I was curious if there any other. Don't know if the cars in Wellington still exist.

UpperHarlemLine4ever wrote:Thanks Otto but I'm tallking actual cars. A few years ago there apparently were 2 in Weillington Ohio but I was curious if there any other. Don't know if the cars in Wellington still exist.

You're not listening. I'll replace friendly sarcasm with fact: If you're asking about 4500-series cars which ended life on Metro-North ("ACMU's"), then those were all shipped out to Ohio and are property of FICX. I'll repeat that all 4000-4300 series cars were scrapped a generation ago.

http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopi ... 5&start=15

-otto-

No, as a matter of fact, I'm talking about the old standard coach style MU's which actually were the original MU cars for NYC. Thee were a few around until the M1-s came into service. They never saw service as Metro-North. The last series I believe was numbered in the 4400's. I am NOT talking about the 4500's. Just like there are tons of DL&W old electric MU's around, thought perhaps someone knew if any of these old relics survived.

UpperHarlemLine4ever wrote:No, as a matter of fact, I'm talking about the old standard coach style MU's which actually were the original MU cars for NYC. Thee were a few around until the M1-s came into service. They never saw service as Metro-North. The last series I believe was numbered in the 4400's. I am NOT talking about the 4500's. Just like there are tons of DL&W old electric MU's around, thought perhaps someone knew if any of these old relics survived.

As in my first response to your question, the answer is still NO.

The old DLW MU's still survive in great numbers because they have great value as coaches for tourist operations. They are simple cars and have windows that can open. They were also retired in 1984 and were available cheap and could move on their own wheels to final destination. The NYC heavyweight coaches and MUs were mostly off the roster and scrapped between 1967-1970 as the first M-1s were delivered... The ACMUs were retired in the 2000s but hold little resale value as they have sealed windows, making them unsuitable for tourist train service. The older St. Louis Car Co order were all retired by 1980, except for one car 1077 kept for trash service.

the last non a/c m.u. upper harlem is refering to, went to scrap in 1976 when conrail took over the property of penn central. conrail sent to scrap every derelict piece of equipment at harmon waiting disposition. i have photographs of that last surviving m.u.i took when i got hired in 1973, still in in new york central lettering with number white lined minus the headlights.

Thank you Joseph for your response. Yes in fact that is what I'm referring to. A few years ago, I did a web search and found 2 cars that were being used on a tourist line in Wellington, Ohio. Don't know if they still have them. This is what I was inquiring if anyone knew of others that were around anywhere. It is a shame that so little of the great NY Central survives. You find GG1's all over the place, no T-Motors or P-Motors (other than that rusted out T-Motor in the Albany area); there are LIRR and PRR MP-54's all around but alas no NYC MU's. Any chance of seeing the picture of that last old MU?

UpperHarlemLine4ever wrote:It is a shame that so little of the great NY Central survives. You find GG1's all over the place, no T-Motors or P-Motors (other than that rusted out T-Motor in the Albany area); there are LIRR and PRR MP-54's all around but alas no NYC MU's. Any chance of seeing the picture of that last old MU?

There's an operable S-motor at IRM, there's also one at St. Louis Museum of Transportation. There's also an S-motor rusting in the weeds with the T-3a motor up in Glenmont, NY.

-otto-

they are not of the best quality, my photo collection is at the Danbury Railway Museum. i expect to get them back in the new year. contact me and you may peruse them and all my photos. you may view the rest of my collection of goodies.

to upper harlem: i didnot reread my post carefully- contact me at [email protected] and i will allow you to view my photo collection when it is returned to me. there are some photos of the P motors as well as a T motor at Sunnyside yard and the St. Louis built MU's awaiting shipment to Ohio.i look forward to hearing from you or anyone else who share our common interests.i will respond to any request.

Guys, what's this car? Sure looks MU-ish...

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh11.JPG

Found on a trip report on the Carthage, Knightstown & Shirley, a disconnected train ride out in the midwest:

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh.html

The lines' website:
http://cksrailroad.homestead.com/index.html

Found this video of the car in service this fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Joqdiv8P_0

isaksenj wrote:Guys, what's this car? Sure looks MU-ish...

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh11.JPG

Found on a trip report on the Carthage, Knightstown & Shirley, a disconnected train ride out in the midwest:

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh.html

The lines' website:
http://cksrailroad.homestead.com/index.html

Found this video of the car in service this fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Joqdiv8P_0

I'd be floored and humbled if that was indeed a 4300-series MU coach!

isaksenj wrote:Guys, what's this car? Sure looks MU-ish...

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh11.JPG

Found on a trip report on the Carthage, Knightstown & Shirley, a disconnected train ride out in the midwest:

http://www.trainweb.org/chris/kcsh.html

The lines' website:
http://cksrailroad.homestead.com/index.html

Found this video of the car in service this fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Joqdiv8P_0

The car in the picture does not look like a former Penn Central (PRR, NYC or NHRR) MU to me. I know the PRR and later PC had a couple of coaches which could be used to make a back up move with a passenger train. I think one of them was used between Camdem, NJ and Pemberton, NJ during the last years of passenger train operation on that branch. I think the train went partway out from Camden in the rush hours, turned and went back to Camden for another trip and in order to save time the conductor rode the rear car on the back up move which was still more or less under the control of the engineer from the locomotive.
I don't know just how long this method of operation lasted but I suspect it was only for a couple of years. Maybe somebody from this neck of the woods can shed some more light on this one.
Noel Weaver

Interestingly, Shore Line Museum's electric cars database says she is 4331, later PC 1291:

http://www.bera.org/cgi-bin/pnaerc-quer ... %20Shirley

The Canada Southern website has many of the car diagrams posted. Here the car diagram for the 4327-4336:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/g-39.jpg

(Index of car diagrams overall is http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS2.htm )