Metropark 'stink' on 4/10/04

Are the Amtrak Horizon coaches and the Comets both made by the same builder ?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but AIR the Horizons have different - more traditional if you will - trucks ( technical term anyone ? ) than those on the Comets ( ditto technical reference please ).

Would that account for part of the 'better ride' Sirsonic ?

Anyone know of any links where we can compare the specs ( weight, length, truck assemblies, etc. ) for Horizon and Comet coaches ? The car bodies are indeed quite similar to this layman.

The Amtrak Horizons and the Comets (most of them up to Comet IV) were all made by Bombardier in La pocatier Canada. yes the Horizons have outboard bearing GSM trucks but otherwise ride the same and are same weight as the commuter cars but with Airline seats and Manual doors.

These pictures are obviously from the west coast but clearly show the trucks http://www5.pair.com/rattenne/nrhs/Amtrak/gallery.htm.
Walthers also captured this difference quite nicely on their HO scale Horizon models.

Comet 1's were made by Pullman Standard, Comet 2's, 3's, 4's were all made by Bombardier, Comet 5's were/are made by Alstom, and the new Comet 6's (bilevels) are/will be by Bombardier.

The C2's were/are rebuilt by AAI, then Alstom.

The basic "comet" design, copied (improved upon) is used by many different commuter railroads, they just go by different names.....SEPTA, MN, CDOT, MBTA, and Amtrak - and probably a few more I can't think of right now....but Im pretty sure all these cars were made by Bombardier, and only NJT's original C1's were made by Pullman

Jtgshu wrote:Comet 1's were made by Pullman Standard, Comet 2's, 3's, 4's were all made by Bombardier, Comet 5's were/are made by Alstom, and the new Comet 6's (bilevels) are/will be by Bombardier.

The C2's were/are rebuilt by AAI, then Alstom.

The basic "comet" design, copied (improved upon) is used by many different commuter railroads, they just go by different names.....SEPTA, MN, CDOT, MBTA, and Amtrak - and probably a few more I can't think of right now....but Im pretty sure all these cars were made by Bombardier, and only NJT's original C1's were made by Pullman

Sounds right to me.

Yup, this is what I saw except not shrink wrapped. The coach to the left above is more like what I saw. I didnt know they were rated to 125mph. Impressive. What are CII-CIVs rated to?

The toilets on NJT equipment are all made by a company called Microphor (sp?). Except for differences in tank size and other advancements in the working parts of the system, they are all the same.

Not to belabor this subject but I assume these holding tanks are designed with an overflow devise to the ROW. Otherwise, the systems would back up into the 'John' compartment and then the coach interior which would REALLY cause problems....

Tom --

That actually is what happens from time to time. They back up into the coach, and that is when there are serious problems. If the tank gets too full, and the bacteria can not keep up, or more likely are dead because someone poured bleach in the toilet, then the tank can be emptied via a drain and the waste handled properly.

The stench has spread!!!

I was down at Fanwood and witnessed the same horribly oppressive odor as a Comet III cab on an inbound run sloshed to a stop dumping putrid water all over the rair furthest from the platform... Not pleasant. I guess this is becomming common on the Newark Division these days.

Why all of these incidents all of a sudden on Comets and Arrows? Is someone not doing there job (like emptying the tanks.)

Nick, I like that Jersey Avenue (?) avatar.

^Thanks! I took that shot two weeks ago today. And yes, it is Jersey Ave.

i got another one, AMT in Montreal uses them too.

I used metropark yesterday for a trip south and the faint smell of sewage was there. I didn't see any "wetness" on the track area, but there was a stink. Not too bad, but none the less there.