• WMATA 8000 Series Rail Cars

  • Discussion related to DC area passenger rail services from Northern Virginia to Baltimore, MD. Includes Light Rail and Baltimore Subway.
Discussion related to DC area passenger rail services from Northern Virginia to Baltimore, MD. Includes Light Rail and Baltimore Subway.

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  by farecard
 
Unlike Europe, there seems to be some deep phobia in the US over delivering transit vehicles via railroads.

Yes, they lack RR standard couplers.
Yes, they have different brakes
Yes, they don't meet spec 27Bstoke6
etc.

But in Germany, a country where the state religion is rules, they manage. I've seem imagery of, and read about, an intermediate flatbed car used for same. On the front, it has a coupler and brake connection to the locomotive. On the rear, ones that matches the transit cars being delivered. Also it has a small diesel powerplant to provide electricity and compressed air & some interface controls that slave the transit brakes to the locomotive's.

Now, obviously BART cars will be the wrong gauge, but besides them, I'd bet 99% would be viable. I suspect the real issue is, when it come to change, the railroad industry makes the old Bell System look like a Ferrari.
  by STrRedWolf
 
farecard wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:56 pm Unlike Europe, there seems to be some deep phobia in the US over delivering transit vehicles via railroads.

Yes, they lack RR standard couplers.
Yes, they have different brakes
Yes, they don't meet spec 27Bstoke6
etc.

But in Germany, a country where the state religion is rules, they manage. I've seem imagery of, and read about, an intermediate flatbed car used for same. On the front, it has a coupler and brake connection to the locomotive. On the rear, ones that matches the transit cars being delivered. Also it has a small diesel powerplant to provide electricity and compressed air & some interface controls that slave the transit brakes to the locomotive's.

Now, obviously BART cars will be the wrong gauge, but besides them, I'd bet 99% would be viable. I suspect the real issue is, when it come to change, the railroad industry makes the old Bell System look like a Ferrari.
Yeah, you'll probably have the cars w/o trucks on the freight carrier and the actual motive trucks ether secured on a separate freight carrier or actually semi-hauler'ed in.
  by ConstanceR46
 
I think it's mostly up to manufacturer choice.
  by scratchyX1
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 3:45 pm
scratchyX1 wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:48 pm
Sand Box John wrote: Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:28 am I see them being shipped to Greenbelt Yard by truck as the article states the plant is a 90 minute drive from the Hagerstown plant to Greenbelt. Shipping by rail would require switching between local trains either in Baltimore MD or Cherry Run WV.
Oh, yeah. 90 minute drive, or few hours train ride, and I don't know where they would interchange in baltimore.
It's a shame, it would be steady traffic for a few years, that any shortline/regional would love.
I can't see these being shipped by semi-hauler. I'm looking at a recent (2022) Google Maps Satellite view of Greenbelt's yard... and it looks very hard to do that. Meanwhile, you got NYC MTA R32 subway cars being hauled away for scrap via freight train consists, SC-44's and passenger cars being hauled the same way. Plus, Greenbelt yard has a connection to that CSX line (remembered that through my college days).

Mapping it out... ether it gets handed off and there's reverse moves the more "direct" way... or it takes the Hanover Subdivision from Hagerstown down to Curtis Bay yard, then an engine swap to get it down to Greenbelt.
I know the 1000 series cars which were hauled to the scrapyard next the BOMX (where 2101 sit, for a few years), got there via semi.
IF they were hauled by rail,
I imagine that it would be it's own special run from curtis bay, down to greenbelt. You don't want those on a 2 mile PSR "special", blocking the Washington Branch.
  by Sand Box John
 
STrRedWolf
I can't see these being shipped by semi-hauler. I'm looking at a recent (2022) Google Maps Satellite view of Greenbelt's yard... and it looks very hard to do that. Meanwhile, you got NYC MTA R32 subway cars being hauled away for scrap via freight train consists, SC-44's and passenger cars being hauled the same way. Plus, Greenbelt yard has a connection to that CSX line (remembered that through my college days).


WMATA hasn't taken delivery of rail cars by rail sense 1970s when the 1k cars were delivered to Brentwood Yard. The 2,3, and 4k cars were delivered by truck to Alexandra Yard along with the shipping and returning of the rehabilitated 1, 2 and 3k cars. The 5, 6 and 7k cars were trucked into Greenbelt Yard. All of the cars that were scrapped were hauled away by truck from Greenbelt Yard. Hell the first three DC street cars were trucked and stored at Greenbelt Yard until the H Street Streetcar line was ready to run them.

The Lowboy trailers used to haul the rail cars have steerable axles on them to allow them to navigate around tight corners.
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