by Steamboat Willie
The rush hour is currently running at capacity for that ever to happen (an equivalent Cannonball). Good luck fighting political opposition from riders from Stamford, Westport, and Fairfield not making a station stop there.
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YamaOfParadise wrote:Considering the limited schedule to New London itself, a limited schedule east of there should be a-okay. I really wonder where they're going to lay up trainsets, though; realistically you need to have a set or two on the east end so you don't need to deadhead from New Haven to Westerly daily.Westerly has a large MOW yard attached that RIDOT plans to upgrade into a full-blown layover yard. Provided CDOT's and RIDOT's target dates are in-sync with initiation of Westerly service they'd be sharing the same staffed facility. If you're talking large-scale expansion of SLE service east of Old Saybrook, Westerly layover may end up a better value-for-money over the long term than building a full-service layover facility at New London a few hundred feet up NECR's tracks. Given that the "extension" consists of 2 pre-existing stations and a transfer node with somebody else's commuter rail service there's going to be a lot of economy-of-scale fodder the planning decisions will attempt to capitalize on.
You'd very much want to have a stop in Stonington (Borough), as well. The population is dense in that area, easily within walking or biking distance. Later on you might want to have one in between Noank and Groton Long Point, as well. Dunno where you'd put a stop in Groton (City), though, the terrain the Shore Line cuts through there isn't exactly what you'd call "flat". The connections to the lower half of the City of Groton is abysmal from coming from New London via public transportation, though; when I tried commuting in to UCONN @ Avery Point for a couple of days via SLE and the busses, and it took me about an hour flat to get between there and New London Union Station.In due time. Let's get that South Lyme infill first to plug the cavernous gap between OSB and NLN. And establish a beachhead at the existing stops by putting some elbow grease into an improved Mystic first.
FLRailFan1 wrote:The SLE to RI would be nice, stops at Groton, Mystic (Mystic Seaport and Aquarium should get more business), Stonington and Westerly. It would tie with the MBTA at Westerly. More commuter rail planned?RIDOT's still got its sights set on it circa 2020-22. Kingston's having its platforms raised to full-highs right now and having a Track #3 platform added, so Westerly is next up on the renovations bucket list and probably will have the TIGER grant application ready to go. That would match Kingston as a tri-tracker w/ 3 platforms, and they'd be cleaning up the adjacent MOW yard to prep that for their layover yard. The only things they would then have to do for actual initiation of service is to install northbound-side platforms w/ track turnouts at T.F. Green and Wickford Jct. (not a major expense since all other station facilities + southbound platforms are pre-existing) and equip Westerly layover. The 3 additional south-of-Providence intermediate stops at Cranston, East Greenwich, and West Davisville they'll pick off one-by-one in individual funding installments so the (skeletal-frequency) inaugural service to Westerly doesn't have dependencies on those infills.
Ridgefielder wrote:Both Mystic and Westerly are on curves-- sharp enough that when you're stopped the tilt from the superelevation will make things slide off a table. How are they going to put in high levels?Westerly's curve is so slight it shouldn't make any difference, not even to the extra door on an M8. Worst comes to worst, when Track 3 gets re-added on the northerly side and the Canal St. bridge deck gets widened they can reach for a couple additional degrees of curve-straightening. There's fair amount of slack space.
The EGE wrote:Unlikely - most people are willing to spend a little more to go faster in nicer seats with fewer transfers if they're traveling more than 50 miles.Plus Amtrak would dearly like to drop Mystic forever; it's the one low-margin Clamdigger stop they couldn't shake off entirely after service ended. And they'd probably want to slash the number of NE Regionals stopping at Westerly by a lot. You'd have to look at the numbers on a per-schedule basis, but I bet what modest weekday ridership they do get there clusters to just certain time commuter-oriented slots and is pretty negligible all other times of day.
The rides it will cannibalize are generally shorter runs that take away seats from profitable intercity markets. Every URI student that switches to commuter rail to ride from Kingston to Providence for an evening out, and every shoreline commuter who swaps to SLE to get to Stamford, frees up a seat to be occupied from Boston to New York. Amtrak will be happy for those riders to switch, and the riders will be grateful for higher frequency.
MCL1981 wrote:I'm confused. How could there possibly be enough commuter demand between RI and New Haven, New York, and points between to justify this???I don't think that there are many NY-bound commuters in this area, nor do I think it's meant to service NY-bound commuters at all. A fair deal of commuting traffic out this way is towards Kingston, Providence, and Boston; which is RI's job to conduct, or served by Amtrak, so that's not a short-term goal for this service either.