SEPTEMBER 3RD!!

Body: DONT BUY GAS ON SEPTEMBER 3rd!!!!

Boycotting the gas company will decrease the price dramatically. Ive checked into it and if over half the US didnt buy gas for 1 day, the gas companys would be close to bankrupcy!!! So Lets show them how to lower gas prices. So repost this to all your friends. We have to get the word out. Its NATIONAL DONT BUY GAS DAY!!!
So repost it!!!

(Sorry Otto, just had to try and spread this around. If you don't like it, please delete it. Thanks)

I LOVE the idea of a united boycott over something like this, however, for anything like that to actually work, you would need a week without gas. A day is not sufficient enough time to make an impact.

You don't buy gas on the 3rd, but everyone rushes to the pumps and buys it on the 4th. The gas retailers know everyone needs the gas due to the boycott, so they raise their prices.

Who gets hurt? We the consumers do. Here in Central Florida, you can go past a gas station on your way to work in the morning and by lunch time, it's been hiked 5-10 cents. On your way home the same day it's up another 5 cents!!!

When I first started driving, gas was $.26 per gallon. Several years later it was up to $.30 per gallon. That averaged about a 1 cent increase PER YEAR!!!!!

The greedy oil stockholders weren't making enough profit that way.

I've already lived through the "gas crisis" of 1973-74 when prices one day were $.30 a gallon and by the week's end were close to $2.00 at some stations!!!!!

Waiting on lines early in the morning to get gas and arrive at work late, because the gas station owner decided to play games and not open that day and now it was too late to get gas elsewhere!

Only being able to buy gas on odd or even numbered days based upon the last digit of your license plate. (walk-ups with gas cans were not allowed!!!)

And, as most people do not like to be inconvenienced, there's always those wealthy ones out there who won't go along with it as a result. They're the drivers of the huge behemoth SUVs like Escalades and Navigators and Hummers.

With that said, I'd like nothing better than to see it work!

Dave Keller

Greetings Oracle!
Dave, I'm not Mr Getty, but I have a couple of Mob/Exx stocks passed down from grandfather, trust me, the stock holders are not making money from this. As a matter a fact since Exxon (merger 3 years ago)game around, nobody is making any. LOL.
What is driving this, unlike 73 & 80 (which no one still has figured out), is China and India's economies growing at over 10% a year. The first thing those guys making our Atlas & Proto trains wants is a car.
It's not going to get better either, much worse in fact, maybe $4 in a year or so. Thats 2 billion potential car buyers! The brains that be did not see this coming this quickly so there is no excess gas (refinery numbers make the supply day to day) in the system, one minor interruption and it will make 73 a fond memory....

If you're sick of watching the oil companies profit, dump your Urban Assult Vehicle for something better. There's plenty of sedans that are big, perform well, and get great mileage. Hell, a Corvette can get darn near 30 on the highway. Imagine your gas cost going in 1/2. wheeeee...

I can't fault XOM, etc for bending over the ammazingly dense American consumer at the pump. Hell, I would too.

When you insist on ferrying your kids everywhere in a 6,000 lb, 10mpg barge, and can't walk more than 15 feet, can't survive outside it for more than 5 minutes....hey, sucks to be you. I'd gladly charge you whatever I can for gas.

Hell, I'd like to see it hit $3.50, $4.00. PEOPLE WILL STILL BUY THE STUFF AND WASTE IT LIKE CRAZY!!!!

Wish I bought stock in 'em like I as going to. Couldda been looking at a 2nd Harley right now. 38mpg and faster than that 3 series BMW you're wetting yourself over. And I can fit where your Exploder can't hehehehe....

Darn, to have bough XOM, Hess, Shell and a few other 2 years ago. I'd be rich now

Supply/demand sucks when demand outstrips supply. If you're the demand. It <b>rocks</b> when you're the supply!

Hi Thrdkilr

Thanks for your input!

Dave Keller

Boycotts don't work, no matter what scheme you can think up.

The price of gas today is directly attributable to environmental whackos who have a myopic opinion of this country's energy policy. The United States is sitting on billions of gallons of oil that we refuse to drill because neo-Socialist whackos don't want to drill for it. This reduces the world supply, which in turn, increases the price (i.e. the law of supply and demand in it's purest form).

Let the oil companies drill for oil in Alaska, the Pacific and the Gulf of Mexico, increase the supply, and then watch the price of gas go down.

Jay

Part of the high cost of gasoline stems from the recent closures of several refineries in the US. The price of crude (which has also been steadily increasing) plays a large part, but without capacity to refine it gasoline is still going to be expensive. Even the OPEC website recognizes this, stating that "Refinery capacity expansion plans are needed in the major consuming regions to reflect the evolving quality of global crudes if efforts to moderate crude prices and reduce oil market volatility are to be effective."
Not to mention that the estimated capacity of the ANWR is estimated (according to the ANWR site) is 16 billion barrels. According to the Department of Energy, the US presently imports 11 million barrels per day. Assuming that oil was coming out of ANWR at that rate, this means there's enough oil there to last for about 1454.5 days, or about four years, if we suddenly stopped importing (and didn't export any oil), and not accounting for any changes in demand or supply from other internal sources. (At "economically recoverable" estimates of 10.3 billion barrels, this drops to 936 days, or slightly over two and a half years.) Notwithstanding that we simply do not have the refining capacity for that, there's also the issue of the conditions any ANWR drilling operating would encounter (chiefly, the conditions one would expect from the northern part of Alaska). This makes it more expensive for ANWR oil compared to a field in, say, Texas.

Now, I'm not opposed to drilling for oil in ANWR. I think that we ought to be trying to ease the prices, and an increase in supply is going to help with that. I don't, however, think it's a magic bullet that's somehow going to drive the worldwide cost of oil down. OPEC is believed to be at or near its pumping capacity, and with the fast growth taking place in countries like China, more oil will be needed. I imagine that some portion of what comes out of ANWR would be exported, lessening the amount of time the oil will last and/or making any price decrease less significant (as imports would be required to take up slack).

I may get labeled as an "environmental whacko" for this, but we really need to start working on cutting down on our need for oil, whether socially or technologically. At some point down the road, there simply isn't going to be enough oil to go around, and we should be prepared for this. I'm in favor of letting drilling go on in ANWR, provided that as a condition of the authorization, more money is made available for research and development of alternative fuel source, public transportation, and possibly awareness programs.

If you don't like the price of gas, simply do not drive. Pure and simple and stop whining about it.

There are plenty of alternatives to driving in urban areas, and if you happen to live in exurbia, then perhaps you should re-think your location.

Europe has had $3-5/gallon gas for a long time. I for one would like to see that here if 1/2 the amount was a tax. Put that tax money into some long needed transportation projects and give people real alternatives to driving.

I'm sure here that many do not like to hear what I have to say, but the truth is the people brought this on themselves. If you don't agree, check your neighbourhood for the number of SUV's, number of cars per household, those who drive 20+ miles each way to work, those who live in exurbia with their McMansions. Oh, and god forbid that little Johnny or Barbie have to walk 20 mins to school - lets have a schoolbus for them or better yet mommy can drive them in the SUV.

drewh wrote:If you don't like the price of gas, simply do not drive. Pure and simple and stop whining about it.

I would love to be able not to drive. Unfortunately, it's really not an option for me. As someone "fresh out of school" and working at my first 'real' job, I make $35k per year, or about $2100 per month (without insurance, which I can get in a few weeks, which drags that down). I happen to be living in an apartment at a cost signficantly below the average cost. My rent is $500 per month with this, and my montly loan payments are about the same. Rent for an apartment within walking distance of where I work is, at minimum, $2100 per month. Throw in even minimal costs for food, and my expenditures have become more than my income.
As I see it, I don't really have any choice but to drive, since there isn't a suitable train and/or bus combination that could get me to work, despite the "Farmingdale Shuttle" stopping just across the street. For $142 per month, I could do the LIRR between Mineola and Farmingdale, and then the shuttle, except that I have no way of getting to the Mineola station. Even if I did, filling up my car four times a month at $30/tank is still cheaper, in general.

I don't see how any of this means I can't complain about the price of gas. I've looked into the alternatives, and from economic and logistical standpoints, driving is the only feasible method for me.

Oh, and going back the original point of the boycott, I suppose I'll be unintentionally participating. I happen to have a fairly routine schedule, and I fill up my tank on Wednesdays when I'm down in Rockville Centre (for whatever reason, gas is regularly 8-10 cents cheaper there at the Citgo or Getty I use than anywhere else I've seen).
As for the figure that "if over half the US didnt buy gas for 1 day, the gas companys would be close to bankrupcy," that's just ridiculous. While there are plenty of people who drive more often/further/less predictably than I do, on any given day, less than half the US is putting gas in their car anyway, and we haven't seen the gas companies fold. Even if they did, I fail to see how that would be a good thing, since we're all still dependent on oil & gasoline in some form or another, even those of us who don't drive (stuff like shipment of goods, mostly).

Lets do this.

Open american oil wells and refineries, refine gas for we the people of the United States, and just keep the business here, and stop buying from "there"
watch ans see prices fall as "they" miss the mighty american dollor.

thats just 1 way of it,

i do like the boycott.

i say lets make it extreme, every one in america nation wide dont buy gas for a week, and every one just sits home and walks to busineees that are open or rides bikes (if busses that run onCNG can run take that) and eletric trains (even though theye eletric may be generated from oil) for 7 full days we the people do NOTHING not only will petorl companies go bust, but it will damage the economy and show the world not to mess with the american dollor. and here on LI nimby/political factors are too high to improve road'rail transportation. Oh well back to slaving for a tank of gas

I laugh at the people in those urban tanks. I have a 2001 Ford Ranger IL4 and i get anywhere from 17-23 MPG/City. I havent figured out what i would get on highway. Ill Let you know after the Croton-Harmon Trip. My truck has a 16.5 gallon tank with 20.0 Gallon capacity (trying to figure that out) and it lasts me about a week, maybe a little longer.



Mike W.

a nathan K5la would look hot above that light rack.

I get about 30 miles a gallon in an old ford. It's good since I don't drive it much, but I still plan on eventually getting a car with a diesel engine and running it in large part off of grease: http://greasecar.com/ (I'm no hippy either, i simply rather spend money on other things in life than keeping fat cats afloat).

The problem with oil is the companies and countries that live off of it. They could upgrade facilities and production, but why bother cutting their own profits?? Who's going to wave a stick at them and tell them not to?? Certain not Mr. Oil Man Bush, that's for sure.

The revolt against gas prices has to start at a consumer level. It already has in many ways. Just look at all the interest railroads have in 'the green goat'. I can't imagine a transportation company that wouldn't be interested in knee-capping their fuel costs. People outfitting their cars with veggy oil powered engines is another step in that direction. All it takes is a wakeup call to those that don't know that there are plenty of alternatives that people are using every day.

Huh ? I thought this was a RAILROAD Forum......... Amazing how things can change when you're away for a couple of days..........