NYC MTA Congestion Pricing Effects on NYCT, NJT, MNRR, and LIRR

eolesen wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:38 pm Another "sin tax" that will disproportionately hurt lower-middle income folks .

How many of those folks can actually afford a vehicle or even have one?

west point wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 8:54 pm How many of those folks can actually afford a vehicle or even have one?

Likely, if you are a City employee residing within the Outer Boroughs - pulling in, say, $150K, as a Police Officer.

west point wrote:

eolesen wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:38 pm Another "sin tax" that will disproportionately hurt lower-middle income folks .

How many of those folks can actually afford a vehicle or even have one?

Based on how hard it is to find street parking in Queens and Brooklyn, quite a few, apparently.

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From my position outside the paywall I'm wondering whether there are any provisions for people residing south of 60th St. in Manhattan. If someone drives up to Scarsdale, will it cost them $15 to come home? Or is there an exemption for vehicles so registered?

Everyone: Manhattan congestion pricing operated by the MTA is based on London's Congestion Zone:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge
This Wikipedia page is very informative and includes the history of how the London Congestion Charge
was implemented...

15 GBP - 7 AM to 6 PM Monday thru Friday; 12 Noon to 6 PM Saturday and Sunday are the base hours...
See Congestion Charge Zone Map for the London CBD area...

Something I noticed about London's congestion charge is that a vehicle entering the Zone only pays ONCE
no matter how many times that the vehicle in question goes in and out of the CZ over the course of a day...
That is helpful to Taxi and other for-hire vehicles serving London and vicinity...

If the new Manhattan Congestion Charge gets applied and enforced in a FAIR manner this may help keep
southern Manhattan from suffering some of the extreme "gridlock" traffic problems that many fear...

A balanced NYC transport system for all modes can benefit just about everyone...MACTRAXX

ExCon90 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 8:22 pm From my position outside the paywall I'm wondering whether there are any provisions for people residing south of 60th St. in Manhattan. If someone drives up to Scarsdale, will it cost them $15 to come home? Or is there an exemption for vehicles so registered?

Nope, there's no exemption for people living south of 60th.

That's all of Ukranian Village, Greenwich Village, Chinatown, Lower East Side, Chelsea, Grammercy Park, etc...

For someone who needs their car 4 to 7 days a week, it's an added $3500- $5400 tax per year.

Why anyone chooses to stay in New York anymore amazes me.

If you can afford to own a car and park it living within the congestion zone you don't need an exemption. Having a car and living in that part of Manhattan is the definition of luxury.

I live in an outer borough and you can't pay me enough to drive into Manhattan south of the GWB. That's when I take my arse to the train and/or express bus.

There are exemptions for people who can't use transit (i.e., need specialized mobility assistance), and income tax credits for those making less than $60K who live in that area. Any company needing to use a vehicle garaged in the area as a work vehicle can most likely write off the tolls as a business expense. I understand that most Manhattanites in that area of the district who own vehicles already rent garage space away from their homes and don't use their vehicle regularly unless they fall into an exemption category.

Yep all valid points above

And to the question raised earlier, you only pay once per day, just like in London.

And yeah, I'd love to see these "lower middle class" (what does that even mean? explicit numbers in $$ per year of annual salary please) folks who are apparently using their car to drive around lower manhattan instead of taking some kind of transit or cab.

...citytickets have existed for years?

But the introduction of a monthly city ticket is new
This is expected to result in 4 MM in lost revenue

The fortunes made on the new congestion tax will be a windfall, along with a proposed increase in bridge and tunnel tolls. The loss will be in business - retail and financial, which is leaving the downtown area and New York in droves. The place is being systematically destroyed.

I've come around somewhat on congestion pricing

1. I'm not stupid enough to drive into Manhattan daily
2. Much of the traffic are people on the road who are stupid enough to do it daily
3. If you toll trucks enough during the day, they will start making deliveries at night, when they should
4. At the end of the day, looking at the voter breakdown, many more D's than R's will be paying that toll
6. The D's voted for this, so let them pay for their stupidity

Pass the Popcorn ......

Let's not forget that at a time where some companies are still struggling to coerce people back to the office (and the City really needing those people to be spending money in the City), the City is now providing more justification for those employees to stay home.

eolesen wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 11:00 pm Let's not forget that at a time where some companies are still struggling to coerce people back to the office (and the City really needing those people to be spending money in the City), the City is now providing more justification for those employees to stay home.

It'll force them onto trains and subways. Hopefully the LIRR can keep up.