by west point
IMO that horn will get more attention,
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west point wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:18 am IMO that horn will get more attention,Yeah, it doesn't sound like a spastic duck farting.
west point wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:18 am IMO that horn will get more attention,Sounds similar to the horns on the SIRT and PATH.
Nasadowsk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:18 pm Doesn’t matter. At those speeds, by the time you hear it, you’re probably dead anyway.Thus why I always think if you're over 79 MPH, you're 100% grade separated. No exceptions. That includes the Keystone and they better bridge those private crossings that shouldn't be there in the first place!!!
STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:41 amThe rules are 100% grade separated above 110 MPH.Nasadowsk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:18 pm Doesn’t matter. At those speeds, by the time you hear it, you’re probably dead anyway.Thus why I always think if you're over 79 MPH, you're 100% grade separated. No exceptions. That includes the Keystone and they better bridge those private crossings that shouldn't be there in the first place!!!
electricron wrote: Sound travels at sea level around 750 mph, these trains are slower than 180 mph.The engineer has less than 22.5 seconds to see an incursion at 160 MPH, blow the horn, and expect others to react, assuming the engineer can see an incursion one mile ahead, and only 4.25 seconds if visibility is 1000 ft. The hearer has to recognize the horn indicates a danger to them and take action that time, so yeah, someone on the tracks is practically dead if that horn needs to be blown to save them.
If the horns are loud enough, you will have time to get out of the way.
RandallW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:14 pmThey need to lower that threshold in light of this accident back in 2018.STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:41 am Thus why I always think if you're over 79 MPH, you're 100% grade separated. No exceptions. That includes the Keystone and they better bridge those private crossings that shouldn't be there in the first place!!!The rules are 100% grade separated above 110 MPH.
STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:05 pm They need to lower that threshold in light of this accident back in 2018.From the photos I could see from your link, it appears the tractor was hit at a non signal and cross arm crossing. I leave the possibility that was where the train came to a stop after hitting the tractor. Never-the-less, the question that should be answered but was not in the news article, was there a flashing signal and or cross arms at the accident scene?
electricron wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:46 pmLet me make it clear, even though this is NOT what US law et al says but just my opinion:STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:05 pm They need to lower that threshold in light of this accident back in 2018.From the photos I could see from your link, it appears the tractor was hit at a non signal and cross arm crossing. I leave the possibility that was where the train came to a stop after hitting the tractor. Never-the-less, the question that should be answered but was not in the news article, was there a flashing signal and or cross arms at the accident scene?
To support your opinion that grade separation should be the law of the land at slower than 110 mph, it would be nice to prove crossing signals were working perfectly and the farmer did not drive around any gates. That perfectly good warning signals could not prevent the accident.
electricron wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:46 pmI work with a engineer that was qualified on that territory. He told me in his personal experience he had placed numerous trains in emergency there due to the fact that the crossing is unprotected and slow moving farm equipment and tractor trailers frequent that crossing. As for Mr. Wolf's opinion of grade separation for under 110mph, I have had close calls at as fast as 110mph and as slow as 15mph. Fatalities at 75mph and 60mph(2) so until you fix stupid it wont matter.STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:05 pm They need to lower that threshold in light of this accident back in 2018.From the photos I could see from your link, it appears the tractor was hit at a non signal and cross arm crossing. I leave the possibility that was where the train came to a stop after hitting the tractor. Never-the-less, the question that should be answered but was not in the news article, was there a flashing signal and or cross arms at the accident scene?
To support your opinion that grade separation should be the law of the land at slower than 110 mph, it would be nice to prove crossing signals were working perfectly and the farmer did not drive around any gates. That perfectly good warning signals could not prevent the accident.