by wilmette2008
Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?
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wilmette2008 wrote:Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?It seemed to be the fastest way to get him off of the train. Perhaps you would have preferred a Delta style drag out of the car?
wilmette2008 wrote:Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?Seeing that this video is a few years old he looks like one the hired security personnel. Who in a lot of cases were and are off duty local cops, sheriffs, and correctional officers trying to make some extra money. Its usually the case to call whatever local police to get the passenger off the train. There not trying to take him Arlington Hts or Harvard. Getting the individual off the train the sooner is usually better. But sometimes its easier on inbound trains to take them all the way to the city especially if its an express train or if your trying to keep it a surprise for the individual causing trouble it depends on the situation at the time. I've seen where the security personnel has detained individuals till local police arrive too it just depends on the situation.
qboy wrote:Do the Railroad Police or CPD meet the train downtown?wilmette2008 wrote:Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?Seeing that this video is a few years old he looks like one the hired security personnel. Who in a lot of cases were and are off duty local cops, sheriffs, and correctional officers trying to make some extra money. Its usually the case to call whatever local police to get the passenger off the train. There not trying to take him Arlington Hts or Harvard. Getting the individual off the train the sooner is usually better. But sometimes its easier on inbound trains to take them all the way to the city especially if its an express train or if your trying to keep it a surprise for the individual causing trouble it depends on the situation at the time. I've seen where the security personnel has detained individuals till local police arrive too it just depends on the situation.
wilmette2008 wrote:More likely now its gonna be Metra PD, but if they aren't available then its gonna CPD. In the past if the UP gumshoe as available then it would them or CPD.qboy wrote:Do the Railroad Police or CPD meet the train downtown?wilmette2008 wrote:Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?Seeing that this video is a few years old he looks like one the hired security personnel. Who in a lot of cases were and are off duty local cops, sheriffs, and correctional officers trying to make some extra money. Its usually the case to call whatever local police to get the passenger off the train. There not trying to take him Arlington Hts or Harvard. Getting the individual off the train the sooner is usually better. But sometimes its easier on inbound trains to take them all the way to the city especially if its an express train or if your trying to keep it a surprise for the individual causing trouble it depends on the situation at the time. I've seen where the security personnel has detained individuals till local police arrive too it just depends on the situation.
qboy wrote:Have you ever seen a UP gumshoe (Police) place someone under arrest? Are UP gumshores ever in regular uniforms? I ask this because when every i've seen them they are usually in either plain clothes or the dark blue polo shirt. And what is with that silver door by the Metra Market that says,"UPPD" on it? Thanks.wilmette2008 wrote:More likely now its gonna be Metra PD, but if they aren't available then its gonna CPD. In the past if the UP gumshoe as available then it would them or CPD.qboy wrote:Do the Railroad Police or CPD meet the train downtown?wilmette2008 wrote:Wonder why they called CPD to perform the arrest instead of arresting the guy himself?Seeing that this video is a few years old he looks like one the hired security personnel. Who in a lot of cases were and are off duty local cops, sheriffs, and correctional officers trying to make some extra money. Its usually the case to call whatever local police to get the passenger off the train. There not trying to take him Arlington Hts or Harvard. Getting the individual off the train the sooner is usually better. But sometimes its easier on inbound trains to take them all the way to the city especially if its an express train or if your trying to keep it a surprise for the individual causing trouble it depends on the situation at the time. I've seen where the security personnel has detained individuals till local police arrive too it just depends on the situation.
wilmette2008 wrote:http://directives.chicagopolice.org/dir ... 21024.html See item VI, wonder who does the booking RRPD or CPD?V. Nongovernmental Police Agencies
qboy wrote:Yeah I've seen them arrest individuals they are sworn officers! From what I've seen they wear whatever is required for duty I've seen some tactical type wear, polo shirts, I'll be honest I don't pay the much attention to what they wear.Let's use the situation with Lolla Kid as an example assuming it was a UP gum shoe that met the train downtown, what would he/she do if the kid was Drunk,and smarted off to the agent about RR Police not being real Police? Would the Gumshoe place him under arrest for Criminal Trespass to Property,Disorderly Conduct, and underage drinking/intoxication? Thanks.
eolesen wrote:1) Isn’t the term gumshoe considered a bit insulting?...Ok here is the backround, a kid was seen by the engineer playing on the tracks in front of the Wilmette Depot. They tried to deny him boarding but he managed to slip on, the train called commuter control to have either Metra PD or a UP Special agent meet the train downtown and grab him. Lets assume that it a UP Special agent that grabbed the kid what he do if the kid mouthed off to him about RR Police not being police and he was intoxicated and under the drinking age. Would the agent place him under arrest for criminal trespass to property, Disorderly conduct, and Underage drinking/intoxication?
2) mouthing off to a police officer is dumb, but not necessarily grounds for arrest - being rude is protected by the First Amendment
3) mouthing off to a police officer after committing a violation or alleged violation is more likely to result in being arrrested for said violation vs. getting a verbal warning
Faced with the daily danger of pedestrians running across railroad tracks or under lowered crossing gates to catch their trains, Metra crews are increasingly fighting back by refusing to allow the violators to board the train.Based on the 2004 story, the person in your story should have been cited for trespassing. I'll leave the hypothetical additional charges to the world of IF, since there is no proof the story ever happened. But I will say that the UP officer would have the authority to make an arrest regardless of if the kid believed he was an officer or not.
The lawbreakers are given the option of waiting for the next train or, if the offenders insist on getting onto the train that almost hit them, going to the police station.
It seems that in many cases, the threat of making a commuter late to work is more effective than the prospect of a fine ranging from $250 to $500 for being on the tracks or jumping crossing gates when a train is coming, railroad officials said.
"We support our crews' judgment to deny boarding to customers who put themselves in harm's way," said Metra spokesman Tom Miller. "We hope it would teach them a lesson."