by RearOfSignal
runningwithscalpels wrote:Third Rail, the OCC isn't very old at all.It was just a couple if years ago that they upgraded the whole OCC.
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runningwithscalpels wrote:Third Rail, the OCC isn't very old at all.It was just a couple if years ago that they upgraded the whole OCC.
RearOfSignal wrote:I think most employees here would agree that there are aspects of the railroad that are mismanaged, it's definitely true. However, not everything falls under that category; sometimes things just happen well-managed or not. Often times the public and those who post here mistakenly put an incident in the wrong category without knowing the facts. What happened yesterday was probably a mismanagement, not having redundant systems. However nothing will ever be fail proof, and problems are bound to arise, things that no manager public or private could control.If they indeed did not have a backup power supply for the OCC, that is absolutely a management failure, and heads should roll at 347 Madison.
The MTA, Metro-North’s parent agency, said in the press release that the computers that run the railroad’s signal system lost reliable power at 7:45 p.m. when one of two main power supply units was taken out of service for replacement. The technicians didn’t realize that a wire was disconnected on the other main power supply unit. It took more than hour before a backup unit could be connected to power up the system.This is a classical failure mode. Here's a hint: If you are going to be relying upon your redundancy for a project like this, you should check that your failover device is actually connected correctly and operational. Failure to do so is indicative of poor planning. It also indicates that the redundant power supply was never tested...
Ridgefielder wrote:MNR just announced that last night's outage was a result of human error. In short someone didn't realize that they pulled the wrong plug during routine maintenance. I guess a skilled manager would have assured this couldn't have happened, but it appears to be a big wet, noisy, brain fart. Even more training and testing and firing of people can't prevent all accidents. But no one wants to hear that.RearOfSignal wrote:I think most employees here would agree that there are aspects of the railroad that are mismanaged, it's definitely true. However, not everything falls under that category; sometimes things just happen well-managed or not. Often times the public and those who post here mistakenly put an incident in the wrong category without knowing the facts. What happened yesterday was probably a mismanagement, not having redundant systems. However nothing will ever be fail proof, and problems are bound to arise, things that no manager public or private could control.If they indeed did not have a backup power supply for the OCC, that is absolutely a management failure, and heads should roll at 347 Madison.
Ridgefielder wrote:If they indeed did not have a backup power supply for the OCC, that is absolutely a management failure, and heads should roll at 347 Madison.From the latest info it appears that they do in fact have dual redundant power supplies, but that due to human error (either yesterday or at installation time) the redundancy was ineffective. My read is that they needed to replace the primary (probably were seeing imminent fault warning, voltage drift, etc.) - but didn't verify that the alternate supply was properly connected and operational.
spidey3 wrote:MNR has plenty of plans for extended signal outage, but it was quicker to fix problem downtown then to setup trains for signal outage. MNR implemented such a plan shortly after hurricane Irene destroyed tracks and signaling equipment.Ridgefielder wrote:If they indeed did not have a backup power supply for the OCC, that is absolutely a management failure, and heads should roll at 347 Madison.From the latest info it appears that they do in fact have dual redundant power supplies, but that due to human error (either yesterday or at installation time) the redundancy was ineffective. My read is that they needed to replace the primary (probably were seeing imminent fault warning, voltage drift, etc.) - but didn't verify that the alternate supply was properly connected and operational.
There are two major failings indicated:
1) Lack of regular testing [or insufficient testing plan] for power outage scenarios
2) Insufficient planning / prediction of potential breakdowns for the power supply replacement task
Both of those are indicative of poor management oversight.
RearOfSignal wrote:MNR has plenty of plans for extended signal outage, but it was quicker to fix problem downtown then to setup trains for signal outage. MNR implemented such a plan shortly after hurricane Irene destroyed tracks and signaling equipment.No argument with that - but it is not what I am talking about.
runningwithscalpels wrote:HAHAHAHAHA.F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Jesus Christ, who let NHAirhead re-register.LOL somehow the argument of needing diesels and RDC's would have been brought up if it were him
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:who let NHAirhead re-register.If this is the same person then there might be multiple accounts that have already been created; just look at the "date joined" info on each one. Smells fishy if you ask me..
Clean Cab wrote:This type of problem has happened on several other railroads without all the hoopla and outrage I see here.Lucky for them they don't have politishians like Schumer and Malloy crying foul from the peanut gallery
NH2060 wrote:His attitude there in the last post did seem rather snippy like Airhead.. Oh geez.F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:who let NHAirhead re-register.If this is the same person then there might be multiple accounts that have already been created; just look at the "date joined" info on each one. Smells fishy if you ask me..Clean Cab wrote:This type of problem has happened on several other railroads without all the hoopla and outrage I see here.Lucky for them they don't have politishians like Schumer and Malloy crying foul from the peanut gallery