Defiant wrote:25Hz wrote:Ok so by the time these tunnels would need to be shut, PATH will have its new signaling system operational, with more trains per hour, and longer train sets on at least one line. That plus directing more traffic to hoboken via SEC and taking midtown direct into hoboken, and you have part of a patch fix while one tunnel is out. You could also increase connections from broad street station in newark via bus and NLR, so people can use that to connect to PATH. Some trains could turn at newark broad, as well.
This will put one hell of a load on PATH, but that system can handle it, i think.
It would be a huge PITA, but not the end of the world. I think PVL customers may end up getting bused over to the hudson line to open up slots at hoboken.
Any of you have thoughts on temporary solutions?
Have you ever been in the rush hour PATH now, when there is a problem in the tunnels and part of the NYP traffic is redirected to Hoboken? It is real madness with long lines to even get on the trains. Besides Hoboken to 33rd st PATH just had a major service suspension stating that they also need major upgrades to their ancient electrical system in the tubes. I am afraid that pretty soon, the transportation system of this state will degenerate to third world conditions...
An unplanned sudden re-direction of trains in the middle of PM peak is not the same as a coordinated, planned multi-modal unified re-outing of trains and ferries known weeks in advance. I was at the climate march sept 21, and we basically "broke" the 8th ave and 7th ave lines, forcing all uptown bound trains to make local stops. It's a thing that does happen now and again due to signal and switch issues, so it wasn't that big a deal, but the trains were massive huge tokyo in winter style pack crush loaded. The clog was cleared in about 30 minutes and normal service resumed about 40 minutes later. NYCT was prepared for this well in advance, so it was run like a military operation where to direct people etc. If there was a
planned tunnel outage, i'm sure the same orderly direction of people would take place in the various stations and terminals in NY and NJ as far as passengers and equipment are concerned. These people know their territory and making up a plan only takes some meeting of some minds over a few conferences.