• Catskill Mountain Railroad (CMRR) Discussion - 2015

  • Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New York State.
Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New York State.

Moderator: Otto Vondrak

  by airman00
 
eehiv wrote:Viscose No. 6 brought the first passenger train to Phoenicia in nearly 4 years:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225119" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EH
Cool picture! Great to see revenue trains in back in Phonecia! And looking closely at that picture, it appears that the 407 is in the background on the siding track.
  by scoostraw
 
A great way to return to Phoenicia. Quite a sight.

Note to all: There are more photos and some video over on the CMRR facebook page.
  by thebigham
 
An article from late July that has few errors in it:

http://www.woodstockx.com/2015/07/27/ca ... -glenford/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cahill likes rail-only option up to Glenford
by JEREMIAH HORRIGAN on Jul 27, 2015


To ride, or not to ride, or maybe to walk. Those are the questions — or at least two of them — surrounding the fate of the Catskill Mountain Railroad for the hearts and minds of railroad enthusiasts, hikers, bikers, politicians, bureaucrats and everyone who wishes to visit or benefit from a trip to the Ashokan Reservoir.

A Facebook posting last week by Assemblyman Kevin Cahill reporting on an 11-mile trip the Kingston Democrat made up the railroad line has triggered the latest round in a long-standing battle that pits supporters of the railroad against supporters of a planned rail trail to the reservoir lands.

In the posting, Cahill extolled the idea that providing rail access to Ashokan lands from Kingston up through Glenford as a “tremendous asset,” to the county while contending that “trail development only along that corridor is simply not ready for prime time.”

The reason, he said, was “rock cut areas where walkers and bikers might be trapped because access on and off the (t)rail was non-existent for unacceptable lengths.”

His posting puts Cahill at odds with supporters of the walking/hiking/biking trail, chief among them Ulster County Executive Mike Hein. The two Democrats engaged in a months-long political donnybrook over the Ulster County sales tax, a fight that culminated early this year with both combatants claiming victory.

Hein adamantly refused to comment on the rail-versus-trail controversy last week, referring all comments to two supporters of the rail trail plan.

Cahill, for his part, sounded a conciliatory note, saying on Monday his support for the railroad was not another round in his battle with Hein. “This isn’t something between me and him. I believe his position is incorrect, but he’s entitled to his position.”

Hein signed an agreement last month with the New York City Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) that’s expected to open the 11.5 miles of land along the reservoir’s north shore to bikers and hikers, but not railroad trains. If all goes as planned, the trail, which has been closed to the public for a century, will run from Basin Road in West Hurley along Route 28 to Boiceville. The DEP has agreed to provide $2.5 million toward the trail’s planning and construction. While the DEP owns that land, the county has held a right-of-way since 1976 along the reservoir’s shore that was intended for rail usage but never developed.

Today, the all-volunteer railroad hopes to expand along that track from Kingston as a tourist train. To that end, it has brought in several commercial endeavors such as the Christmas-themed Polar Express as proof of its value to the community and tourism.

But those efforts haven’t moved the legislature nor the Hein administration; the county’s years-old suit to remove the railroad from the tracks is still under appeal, while the railroad’s lease with the county will be up next May, with signs of a renewal being remote.

‘Mystified’ by Cahill

Cahill’s Facebook posting unleashed a torrent of arguments for and against the railroad; chief among those opposing his contention that a rail trail was unsafe was Kathy Nolan, co-chair of the Woodstock Land Conservancy and chair of the Catskill Heritage Alliance, who says the deal with the DEP is a godsend to the county and trumps any plans the railroad could provide. “We feel the county’s making the right choice here, it’s economically viable and we’ve got very strong public support.” She says the railroad has had its chance to upgrade and maintain the track and failed. Clearly, she says, a deal that includes DEP commitments on parking and marketing a rail trail is the only way to go...
  by B&M 1227
 
the railroad could have class iv track, low emissions gensets, and the best passenger accomodations in the western hemisphere, and little miss nolan would still take exception to it.
  by eehiv
 
To all:

As you know, the current Ulster County Executive, Mike Hein, has been attempting to terminate the CMRR's lease with Ulster County since June 2013. Since then he has refused all of the CMRR's attempts to meet with him and the railroad has been forced to spend $400,000 in legal expenses so far to defend its leasehold. We estimate that the County has spent an equal amount in its attempt to terminate the CMRR's lease.

His opponent in the upcoming election is Terry Bernardo, former Chairman of the Ulster County Legislature. She is on the record on her website defending the Historic railroad tracks in Ulster County:

Terry Bernardo for Ulster County Executive

http://www.terrybernardo.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I strongly encourage you to make donations to her campaign as the best way to keep the railroad tracks in Ulster County. See below:

http://www.terrybernardo.com/donation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EH
  by eehiv
 
Ulster County resolution 155 of 2015 created the U&D Corridor Advisory Committee:

http://ulstercountyny.gov/sites/default ... 5-15_7.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Committee has just issued an RFP for a consultant to assist them in determining what is the highest and best use of the corridor:

http://www.newyorkbids.net/bid-opportun ... ltant.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interested bidders need to respond by September 3rd.

EH
  by airman00
 
Not to change the current topic of discussion, but my family and I will be coming up soon to take the Kingston train again, and I would like to know how far the ride currently is? I've been following Mr. Hunts work reports, and from what I remember, the ride made it all the way to mp6.3 past Hurley Mountain road, last year. I am hoping we go that far or maybe even further! Thanks in advance!
  by ddk375
 
I just signed it, and added a personal note. In my opinion, it's worth noting the value of preserving rather than destroying existing rail infrastructure.

David
  by eehiv
 
Thursday, August 13th.

Jim Bruck and John Prestopino weed-wacked Cornell Street yard.


Friday, August 14th

Dave Hilliard was engineer, Bob McDonald was conductor, Peter Fluchere was ticket agent. Tom Whyte was engineer trainee.

George Peck did trackwork in Phoenicia. After the 11am train, all further trains went to PA. We are now fully back in service to Phoenicia.


Saturday August 15th

In Kingston, Al Schoessow was engineer, Neil Remsen was conductor. John Marino was brakeman. Dave Hilliard and Jordan Torregrosa were flaggers. John Prestopino was trainman. Pat Smalley did the Teddy Bear entertainment. Thom Johnson as ticket agent.

Walt Otto and Jim Bruck continued work on coach 2949.

Jeff Otto and John Patane begain clearing out the cut near the body shop:

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I weed-wacked in the body shop area.

George Peck did trackwork in Phoenicia.

Al Johnson, TW and Bill Kaba continued work on flat car 35111/273.

In Mt. Tremper, Tom Whyte was engineer, Ray Farrell conductor, and Peter Fluchere was ticket agent for both the regular runs and the Twilight limited. We were treated to a new band on the railroad the "Gandy Dancers" consisting of Thom Johnson on Drums, Jim Donnelly on Guitar, Wild Bill Drucker on Banjo, our very own Harry Jameson on the on the Washtub Bass.


Sunday, August 16th

Engineer was Tom Whyte, conductor was Neil Remsen, Tony Bocchino was brakeman. Peter Fluchere was ticket agent.

Jeff Otto, Martin Elbrecht and John Marino worked on track in Kingston.

George Peck worked in the Phoenicia yard.



Ernie Hunt
Volunteer Coordinator
CMRR
  by eehiv
 
Friday, August 21st

Tom Whyte was engineer, John Prestopino was conductor, Ed Winstanley was brakeman. Peter Fluchere was ticket agent.

George Peck did trackwork in Phoenicia.


Saturday August 22nd

In Kingston, Al Schoessow was engineer, Neil Remsen was conductor. Tony Bocchino was brakeman. Hunter Downie and Karl Wick were flaggers. Russ Hallock as ticket agent. The CMRR ran its first Rock N Rail special with the band "In the Kitchen".

Walt Otto and Jim Bruck continued work on coach 2949.

Jeff Otto, John Patane, John Marino, Hunter Downie, Russ Hallock and I began clearing out the cut near the body shop and inserting ties.

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George Peck did trackwork in Phoenicia with Greg Peck, Art Vogel and Ed Ryder.

Al Johnson, Terry Wiegert and Bill Kaba continued work on flat car 35111/273.

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In Mt. Tremper, Tom Whyte was engineer, Ray Farrell conductor, Tyler Carelli was brakeman, and Jessica Ryder and Nicole Frawley were ticket agents. Trains began the new schedule of 11, 1, and 3pm with a 20 minute stop at Phoenicia.


Sunday, August 23rd

Engineer was Walt Otto, conductor was Neil Remsen, Dan Howard was brakeman. Peter Fluchere was ticket agent.

George Peck worked in the Phoenicia yard.

Ernie Klopping, Al Schoessow, and Jeff Otto worked on MOW equipment at Cornell St and HMR.


Ernie Hunt
Volunteer Coordinator
CMRR
Last edited by eehiv on Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.
  by B&M 1227
 
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225426" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

awesome! having trains visible from rt 28 will be huge in terms of greater public acknowledgement of the railroad. next stop west hurley...
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