Trip times on the Phoebe Snow

How long would it take for the Phoebe Snow to reach Chicago from Dover and Hoboken?

I can't find the info on the forum so I apologize if was already posted.

Phoebe ran only between Hoboken and Buffalo in 8 hours 45 mins under the DL&W, EL via Hornell and as a connecting train, over 9 heading toward 10 hours. Hoboken-Dover was up to an hour and 20 minutes allowing for stops at Newark, Brick Church, and Summit because of dwell times and starting effort.

I know the Phoebe Show after the merger ran to Chicago from Hoboken and Dover. How long was the trip time to Chicago from both Dover and Hoboken on both the Snow and the Lake Cities and whatever other train ran the route?

Real Phoebe Snow fans understand that the Phoebe Snow did not run on the Erie Lackawanna. That being said, the trip Hoboken to Chicago was around 22 or so hours. Check any timetable, they are quite available at shows, etc.

Also note that the "Phoebe" under the EL banner ran the Tavern Lounge cars only as far west as Meadville or Youngstown and not to Chicago or Buffalo.

henry6 wrote:Also note that the "Phoebe" under the EL banner ran the Tavern Lounge cars only as far west as Meadville or Youngstown and not to Chicago or Buffalo.

Then what happened?? They tacked them onto the next days #2?

Yes.

Phoebe Snow trip times Hoboken - Chicago per EL's October 30, 1966 passenger timetable ("the Friendly Service Route"):

wb: Train #1 departed Hoboken at 10AM EST (and Dover @ 11:03) and arrived Dearborn St station in Chicago at 8AM CST for a trip time of 23 hours.

eb: Train #2 departed Chicago @ 6:30PM CST and arrived Hoboken at 6:20PM EST for a trip time of 22 hours 50 minutes (The Phoebe must have enjoyed the same west to east tailwind as do eb flights).

Sadly the Oct '66 tt has a note appended to the Phoebe's schedule " Trains 1, 2, 21, and 22 are subject to discontinuance...."

For comparison, in the December '63 EL tt, the wb Phoebe running as trains 1-31 (#31 was the Hornell to Buffalo connection) ran 15 minutes quicker.

In 1970, un-named PC #61 ran NYC to Chicago via Buffalo in 18 hours and the Broadway Ltd #49 ran via Pittsburgh 18 hrs, 45 minutes.

Lastly, in July '58 the DL&W/NKP ran the Phoebe/City of Chicago between Hoboken and Chicago in 22 hours.