Diverging Route wrote:On the LIRR, seat checks are used on all trains, in both directions. Granted that the LIRR has a higher volume of non-terminal ridership, but from what I've seen, Keolis uses seat checks only inbound. This means that passengers who get on after city center stops (BON, BOS, BBY, RUG) often do not have fares collected.
Probably the most flagrant example is RTE. When I get off a train at RTE during afternoon rush hour, I see many passengers who get on for outbound service to PVD. As all doors open at RTE and the trains are very crowded, these new passengers can blend in and not pay.
Since I don't ride the Old Colony lines -- how is this handled at Quincy Center and Braintree, where I assume many passengers transfer from the RL to the CR? Same with Porter on the Western Route -- since the volume is high there, are seat checks used outbound from BON and BOS on these lines?
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On the LIRR seatchecks are primarily used in ONE direction: WESTBOUND towards Penn Station and are lifted
before trains reach Jamaica. The Port Washington Branch (not running through Jamaica) uses seatchecks until the
Zone 3-City Zone One boundary (west of Flushing Main Street to Mets-Willets Point and Woodside) and get lifted.
On Mets game days or during special events tickets are collected at the gate at Mets-Willets Point Station.
On trains operating through and stopping at Jamaica all tickets are collected after this stop towards Penn Station.
Seatchecks are RARELY used eastbound - I have seen them used on the Port Washington Branch leaving New York
and at times some crew members lift and collect tickets before Jamaica - which is not the norm because of the
large amount of transferring between trains there. All tickets are collected east of Jamaica; only trains with many
local short riders have crew members using seatchecks eastbound - they use them at their discretion.
LIRR one way and round trip tickets use a "punch system" that crews use to determine direction and cancel tickets.
On the current ticket types there is a line of blocks numbered 1 to 7. 1-2-3 is East; 7-6-5 is West. 4 is not used.
Punching 3 cancels an eastbound ticket and punching 5 cancels a westbound ticket.
Perhaps you were thinking of NJ Transit - which uses seatchecks for nearly everyone on most trains.
The only exception is heavily used peak hour trains in which crews have the option to use or not use seatchecks.
In those cases they would more then likely be more of a problem for crews then they are worth.
I have read through this topic over time and was thinking about how the MBTA collects fares from riders boarding
at intermediate stations and how they keep passengers from "overriding" on tickets. In some cases - like zones 1A
to Zone 1 - there is a large price differential in a small segment between stations and over riding is tempting there.
At MBTA stations that have TVMs is there any penalty charge for local riders not having tickets before boarding?
The LIRR charges between $5.75 and $6.50 more when there is an open ticket office or TVM available before
boarding. There are only a small number of "exception" stations that have neither and station fare is charged on
board from those locations. NJ Transit levies a $5 penalty in a similar manner when tickets are available at
TVMs or from agents in advance at stations.
Do crews have any discretion to "waive" the penalty when there are problems before boarding MBTA trains?
On the LIRR they do not and have to charge the higher on board fare. Passengers then must contact the LIRR
and then apply for a refund of the price difference upon approval. On NJ Transit crews DO have this option and
one sometimes hears "Waive the penalty from (station)" over the PA system announced or something similar.
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