by TheLastSay
Yep I agree. The budget on this project is like a fat kid..He keeps getting bigger and bigger until he can't walk anymore. Taxpayer dollars thrown away.
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One of One-Sixty wrote: For those who can not come is there anything ie; key points I should bring up, as I am planning on writing what I have to say down to make sure I address certain issues, myths and urban legends about the third track and so forth.If you like myths and urban legends, why not start with your signature:
workextra wrote:The 3rd Track will only have the following station stops available, Jamaica, Mineola, and Hicksville then the same from there.That answers a question I had a while back - thanks.
workextra wrote:To get an idea the current Main Line 2 (ML2) would become the new ML3 with the actual "new" track becoming ML2.That is the pic I had, but in another thread there was mention of more stops, which to me seems to defeat the purpose of express, but would give more flexability. Back to Mineola, I still cannot see why the 3rd track or at least the setup for it (like Roslyn grade elimination project) was not done during Intermodal project.
I hope this give you some picture of it.
Port Jervis wrote:If you like myths and urban legends, why not start with your signature:Sorry to hijack the thread, but...I did a little (very little) bit of research. The actual quote is thus: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
There's no proof BF Franklin ever uttered this phrase. Normally I ignore people's signatures on message boards, but whenever I encounter someone misusing this one, I make an exception.
BTW, how much of the ROW still exists for the CRR? I know a few highways cross it, but what about the rest? Housing? Power lines?If I had to give a rough estimate about 75% or three quarters of the CRR are fully intact meaning not encroached on by other then LIPA. Problem areas (not mentioning NIMBY factor at this time) are as follows.
That is the pic I had, but in another thread there was mention of more stops, which to me seems to defeat the purpose of express, but would give more flexibility. Back to Mineola, I still cannot see why the 3rd track or at least the setup for it (like Roslyn grade elimination project) was not done during Intermodal project.
workextra wrote:hope the above helps a little.A lot! I was under the impression more of the ROW was encroached upon by housing.
workextra wrote:PS I'm sure many of us here could do this study at a substantially less cost.If contracted for such a study, where would you propose stations along this rehabed CRR route (called that or become part of Ronkonkoma branch)? I definitely see one near the Meadowbrook Pkwy to serve the mall/coliseum and easier access. Would Bethpage close to be replace by a station on this this branch? Any other new or relocated stations ?
How is CRRLI not useful for NYC commuters? Because it doesn't add a track between Floral Park and Jamaica? I love your idea for having CRRLI has an alternative in the study. Too bad the LIRR didn't have the balls to try it. Probably afraid it would get shot down instantly. BTW, how do you know 3rd track will only access those stations? Why wouldn't it access all the others?The CRR actually is a superior decision because It does provide several additional mid Nassau stations that will take some of the over crowding off the Main and Montauk. Shorter commute to their "local" station, less traffic=less accidents. However without even mentioning the benefits of the CRR it's already shot down. The CRR is truly an "if you build it they will come" type of project.
If contracted for such a study, where would you propose stations along this rehabed CRR route (called that or become part of Ronkonkoma branch)? I definitely see one near the Meadowbrook Pkwy to serve the mall/coliseum and easier access. Would Bethpage close to be replace by a station on this this branch? Any other new or relocated stations ?This will be a reply just for the new stations: (not a total study of actual facts)
TheLastSay wrote:Reopening the Central Branch would destroy the residential neighborhoods that the ROW runs through. It would split them in half and add blight to every area that it would "serve".Right, much like the blighted areas of Garden City & Stewart Manor that the Hempstead Branch/Central Branch runs through nowadays
There was this AC in the trainmens room going on about reopening that branch and making a huge terminal in Valley Stream.Huh? Was he talking about rebuilding/extending the West Hempstead Branch to Garden City? Otherwise the Central Branch and Valley Stream would never meet (at least not by any direct routing)