Discussion relating to the past and present operations of the NYC Subway, PATH, and Staten Island Railway (SIRT).

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  by Terrapin Station
 
It will be on Page 4 of today's amNewYork newspaper. A PDF of it is now available on the website.
Photographers take on Port Authority
By Chuck Bennett
amNewYork Staff Writer

October 9, 2006

New York's feisty photojournalist association says the Port Authority's strict ban on photography is way out of focus.

"We are getting ready to do battle," said Todd Maisel, vice president of the New York Press Photographers Association and a veteran Daily News lensman. "At the bus terminal, the PATH train, bridges, tunnels they are putting up signs that say no photography."

Photography is allowed in Port Authority facilities but only with prior permission and then only when accompanied by an official escort, according to spokesman Tony Ciavolella. The rule, which predates 9/11, is the same for both amateurs and professionals with press passes.

The authority says the rule is meant to protect photographers, say from getting struck by a train. But Maisel said his group is looking at the legality of the rule. It is also documenting instances of photographer harassment at all Port Authority facilities, including the PATH and George Washington Bridge.

Within the past two weeks, he said, two photographers were forbidden from shooting pictures on the George Washington Bridge. One was charged with disorderly conduct and the other had his digital images erased.

"The Port Authority is the current bad boy," he said, adding that he's hopeful that the issue can be resolved through talks, not legal action.

The photography association is not the only group concerned.

"We are collecting complaints," said New York Civil Liberties Union attorney Sam Munger about photographers in Port Authority facilities.

Still, he added, the most complaints -- about one a week -- come from shutterbugs in MTA facilities like the subway, where photography is allowed.

"It's people who've had a run-in with MTA personnel or NYPD personnel on either the subway, Long Island Rail Road, or Metro-North and told they were not allowed to take pictures. It's gone as far as having police officers look at the film, digitally speaking," Munger said.

The MTA tried to ban photography in the subway but dropped the effort in May 2005 after a huge public outcry -- lead partly by local press photographers.

Even so, both professional and amateur photographs have long complained there is a de-facto photography ban in the subway.

"A lot of employees are very insistent that photography is not permitted," said Brian Weinberg, a train buff and amateur photographer who maintains the site railfanwindow.com. He estimated he was stopped six times during the past three years for taking pictures in the subway. Like many photographers, he now carries a copy of the MTA rules that explicitly state that photography is allowed.

As for the professionals, Maisel said, the climate is getting better at MTA facilities. He credits the change with aggressive action by his group.

"The Port Authority should understand we are not a group to be trifled with, let them ask the MTA about that," Maisel said.

Copyright 2006 Newsday Inc.

  by alanms00
 
Strange that this came up this week, since I wanted to get a photo permit last weekend to take pictures of some of the platforms between Newark <-> JSQ <-> WTC. I spoke with someone at the PATH, and she told me I would assigned a "guide" to tag along with me as I took photos. A bit overkill to take photos of some of the platforms...

  by Steve F45
 
im glad someone is finally standing up to the port authority. Good thing no papd cop saw me on 9/11 of this year taking a pic of the flag beeing flown from the gwb.

  by GP38
 
Wow, you are being quoted everywhere lately!

  by njtmnrrbuff
 
Having an official PA guide with you is overly doing it. We should be allowed to take pictures of PATH from any public access area, especially Harrison but most of us would go there to fan the Amtrak and NJT stuff.

  by alanms00
 
I might have pics of Harrison up the end of this week. I got invited to the PATH Patron Advisory board, and they are doing the Harrison trip this Wednesday to visit the yards. I will let you know if/when I get the pics online.

  by Terrapin Station
 
alanms00 wrote:Strange that this came up this week, since I wanted to get a photo permit last weekend to take pictures of some of the platforms between Newark <-> JSQ <-> WTC. I spoke with someone at the PATH, and she told me I would assigned a "guide" to tag along with me as I took photos. A bit overkill to take photos of some of the platforms...
Yes, the "guide" part is listed in the rules and regulations. But did they actually confirm that they would definitely approve your request?

  by Terrapin Station
 
alanms00 wrote:I might have pics of Harrison up the end of this week. I got invited to the PATH Patron Advisory board, and they are doing the Harrison trip this Wednesday to visit the yards. I will let you know if/when I get the pics online.
Awesome! Can't wait to see them.

  by alanms00
 
Terrapin Station wrote:
alanms00 wrote:Strange that this came up this week, since I wanted to get a photo permit last weekend to take pictures of some of the platforms between Newark <-> JSQ <-> WTC. I spoke with someone at the PATH, and she told me I would assigned a "guide" to tag along with me as I took photos. A bit overkill to take photos of some of the platforms...
Yes, the "guide" part is listed in the rules and regulations. But did they actually confirm that they would definitely approve your request?
I spoke with someone named Julie on the phone almost two weeks ago. She told me that she would need to get someone to tag along with me for taking photographs. Unfortunately, she wasn't very responsive about getting a guide. She also sent me links to some preexisting station platforms photos, but they were linked into the PATH intranet.

If you contact them, I'm guessing that persistence will get you a guide to accompany you on a photo shoot around the system. Also, I would plan on a date at least one to two weeks in advance. I tried to get a guide on a Friday for that following Sunday...