• Housatonic Railroad Thread (Maybrook, Berkshire, Pittsfield)

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  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
Jeff Smith wrote:As always, F-Line, thanks for that thorough explanation. I tend to think that the "permissive" operating agreement from back in the day was necessary to get the line back open before it was lost to time like some of the other land-banked ROW around the state.

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the study that never ends did finally end, with a whimper.
Yes. That trackage rights deal was cut in a different era when CDOT had very little in-house IQ on how to administer a state-owned rail network. 30 years ago they had Metro North and Amtrak operating under out-of-state auspices like some opaque black box CDOT didn't dare pry open, and Valley doing its Valley thing for the tourists. That was it; all other active rails were still privately-owned. The state wasn't prepared for the big sell-a-thon of Conrail dispersals in the mid-80's, or for the suddenness of Guilford's about-face on all the new territory in CT that B&M bought just prior to that company changing hands. So the state's first experience at direct public-private action managing and preserving its freight rail corridors happened under lots of time pressure in one massive circa- 1983-86 slate of carrier turnover and too-little of a well-formed worldview of what was a good business risk and what wasn't. They tended--out of no small amount of desperation--to over-trust the competence of the first shortline bids who returned a phone call for filling that acute post-Conrail/Guilford vacuum. And not just here on the Berkshire Line, either. Valley RR-subsidiary Connecticut Central's uneven little decade of public-private amateur hour with the Air Line/Middletown Cluster happened in the same general timeframe as the Housy trackage rights deal. That one had a much happier ending with CC "falling up" into buyout by P&W and traffic rebounding to a long-term stable place under a long-term stable Class II's stewardship. But things were very volatile in that intervening era and it showed--painfully--how in over their head CDOT was at thinking that they could plug the post-Conrail void in any sort of easy set-it-and-forget-it fashion.


Hence, Housy gets a trackage rights agreement that was too tilted in favor of the tenant carrier to have a viable escape clause or penalty mechanism if the tenant flauted their rights and responsibilities. All because CDOT was so eager to prevent the Berkshire Line from getting severed in the middle that it was willing to contract out to the first warm body that made a sales pitch in that moment. Now, you can argue very strongly that HRRC did indeed save the Berkshire Line and that there'd be no complete corridor to ponder if CDOT hadn't taken the first warm body. It definitely wasn't a "mistake" in that sense, and so many contrasting variables are in-play that it would be uselessly simplistic to reduce it to win/loss terms. But what seemed like a happy ending back then--get another Valley-esque "do-gooder" excursion carrier installed to revive the line, and have the freight prospects be the follow-through that keeps it stable--did not anticipate possible changes in Housy's business practices during the term of that very long and nearly unbreakable trackage rights deal. CDOT failed to acknowledge that when dealing with private business, it's dealing with the innate uncertainty over the term-of-contract that the management or ownership of said private business could overturn or radically change priorities. That is, CDOT didn't have the business IQ at the time to understand that boilerplate penalty clauses weren't for the trustworthy Housy management it was dealing with at that moment in the mid-80's, but for possible unforeseen configurations of Housy management that could come during that contract term if they got bought out, re-invested or re-staffed by total strangers, etc. Something the state should've seen--but didn't--as exceptionally high-risk at the time because of all the other CT rail lines plunged into chaos by the 180 change-in-management from corporate B&M to corporate Guilford, and the pivot gov't-owned Conrail management made in the mid-80's to mass-dump its low-margin branchlines in direct anticipation of the big '87 IPO and going totally private. Unexpected corporate change was the stuff that was initiating that mid-80's crisis with falling CT branchlines, but for whatever reason it never quite clicked with CDOT officials that the same thing could potentially plunge a freshly-minted shortline on state-owned corridor into the same chaos with the same suddenness.


Well...corporate changed at Housy. A lot. Housy's big reorganization into a maze of holding companies started in 1990 during Year 6 of the CDOT trackage rights deal, upon their pickup of Pittsfield-N. Caanan ownership from Guilford. In '92 it changed again with the south-of-New Milford and Maybrook Line pickups from Conrail. The passenger excursions that were the original restarted traffic on the CDOT-owned segment abruptly stopped. Management ranks overturned from John Hanlon's original "can-do!" charter group to the bunch of ex-Guilford rejects and associated hangers-on giving them such a bad name today. To CDOT's credit, they've grown their rail business IQ by leaps and bounds ever since. They now successfully manage a majority state-owned rail network and portfolio of stable and growing branchlines despite having to make do without a native in-state Class I interchange. While the "Dept. of Studies About Studies" still has its cringeworthy moments on the passenger side, generally speaking they're doing a consistently good job of late with pursuit of good-risk freight ROI and at not throwing good freight money after bad. The CDOT of today would not have made the mistakes that the low-information, high-desperation CDOT of 1985 did at over-trusting a for-profit corporation to never change. Unfortunately, this low-information mistake ended up having its risks exploited multiple decades into the trackage rights agreement instead of self-correcting like the low-information Connecticut Central deal did when the adults at P&W traded up into that territory. This one is going to be a messy fix for a generation of state officials and state taxpayers who weren't around (or even born!) in 1984-85 when the trackage rights agreement was first negotiated.
  by H.F.Malone
 
Valley is the one CT-owned rail line NOT under CDOT ownership/lease. It's DEEP, as in "Connecticut Valley Linear Park". Always has been, since 1969-70.
  by F-line to Dudley via Park
 
H.F.Malone wrote:Valley is the one CT-owned rail line NOT under CDOT ownership/lease. It's DEEP, as in "Connecticut Valley Linear Park". Always has been, since 1969-70.
Name on the ownership masthead is a purely semantic difference, as the actual letter of the CT State Rail Plan quite plainly spells out in the summary of Valley's working relationship with the state. CDOT is the one that rustles up any infrastructure grants for the Valley RR transportation entity. CDOT is the one doing all the mandatory FRA filings for a state-owned rail line. And CDOT by state law has primacy over CDEEP to take back any ownership-transferred transportation assets any time it sees fit.

Right now it doesn't see fit, because the land management and recreation needs on the riverbank presently outrank the transportation needs in overall administrative importance and that isn't likely to change as long as service to Middletown/Hartford is discontiguous and the sum total future freight potential on the line tops out at trash hauling to state-administered recycling facilities. But CDEEP and CDOT are not and never have been siloed off from each other with impenetrable barbed-wire fences. When there's a public-private interaction to be had that's specific to the transportation assets, it's CDOT who picks up the phone. CDEEP is a land management agency, not a transportation management agency. They don't wade into transpo management issues they aren't at all equipped to handle, because that would clearly be a disaster waiting to happen. Land management gets done by the officials who know how to do that, transportation management gets delegated to the officials who know how to do that. This isn't news; responsibilities have never been hermetically-sealed off like that. "CDEEP owns it" ≠ "CDOT hands-off." Not now, not in 1969.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
OK, I'm starting to get it; Housy has traffic (plastic pellets) between a Pittsfield interchange with CSX and Canaan where this Beckton Dickinson facility is located. It also handles traffic Northward from a Danbury interchange with the "quite going concern" P&W to Brookfield (the rubbing alcohol - UN1219 Cl 3) and whatever is left of the industrial base New Milford was aggressively courting 55-60 years ago when I was "on The Hill". New Milford-Canaan reportedly sees this "garbage train" about four times a week. Somehow, if Housy became a road with Class 4 track and handled 100 car freights, i.e. the "one a day back in my day", the gentry in Kent would be "uh, less than happy". Happy to have those rolling thunder bikers (they're not Hells Angels, rather high powered Wall Street traders) in town, but not 100 car trains.
  by FLRailFan1
 
Question: What is Housy doing wrong? Is it the management, the economy or is it other factors...? It seems in the 90s, Housy was getting good press. Housy even had 2 boxcars at the time.

Myself, I would love to see someone (AJ Bellivue for instance) buy it. With Derby, Pittsfield and Beacon as terminals, and AJ's business sense, Housy could be a great railroad...and who knows, maybe more carloads on it...
  by DutchRailnut
 
both Derby and Beacon are not interchange points , no matter who runs the railroad.

besides the track between Derby and Botsford is out of service for last 10 years.
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  by Gilbert B Norman
 
OK; how is this for dream department. I've had my quintennial (and possibly final) journey up to The Hillside (South Kent School), and for every fond memories of "freedom train 141", there is an equal memory of "prison train 144". But before my memories of the Housy fade, try this one on for size.

First, the existing N-S routing for traffic off the B&A at Springfield will soon be inundated with Metro North passenger trains well beyond the "six a day" Amtrak presently operates. Could this be a role for a revitalized Housy? Traffic would be interchanged at Pittsfield to Housy that had been upgraded to FRA Class 3 (40mph). The biggest constraint would be the absence of PTC, which would be prohibitive - on a line that has always been "timetable and train orders". At Danbury, the traffic would then move to Cedar Hill over the Maybrook line, through Hawleyville, where our "old New Haven hands" around here will tell you that trackage once converged there from six directions, then on to Cedar Hill for either interchange with the P&W using their trackage rights over the Amtrak Corridor, or distribution of containers by highway through Southern New England.
  by DutchRailnut
 
ok Gilbert Swendson I say your loosing it....
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
OK Mr. Railnut, possibly your teenaged daughter enjoys reading this author's material, but I would have no interest whatever in the genre'.

But considering the Springfield Line will soon be inundated with Metro North trains, and that the line is publicly owned, a new routing for East-West traffic consigned to Southern New England just may be needed.

Fantasy, I admit - so is passenger service over the HRR.
  by DutchRailnut
 
Metro North has no interest in running the Springfield line and will not be a bidder for CDOT operation
  by Jeff Smith
 
In the news: New Milford Spectrum
Housatonic line scrutinized after train derailment
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“It was just one of those flukes,” said Matthew Whitney, associate general counsel for Housatonic Rail.

The official cause of the June 4 derailment hasn’t been determined, but Whitney said the company believes it was caused by a small split in a piece of rail at one of the crossings, undetectable to the eye or by using special equipment that scans the rail for problems weekly. The train had left Danbury and was heading to Pittsfield, Mass., when it derailed at a private crossing off of River Road near Riverview Road.
“Generally these can be detected by our inspectors,” he said.

Officials consider the derailment minor because no one was injured, the seven cars involved were empty, and the track was cleared and repaired within a day and a half of the accident. They also don’t think the incident will have any effect on the line’s future, including the long-desired possibility of bringing passenger service back to the area.
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Plans to upgrade the line have been discussed for years, and recently gained traction when funding was approved by Massachusetts and Connecticut. Work is already underway to replace six miles of track and 11,000 wood ties in Kent for $1.6 million, which the state and Housatonic Rail are funding.

The project is expected to be completed by July 2017, according to the state Department of Transportation, and could be the first step in reopening the door for passenger rail, which Housatonic discontinued in the 1970s. Housatonic Rail expects this section to be completed by the end of the year.
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  by Ridgefielder
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote:OK, I'm starting to get it; Housy has traffic (plastic pellets) between a Pittsfield interchange with CSX and Canaan where this Beckton Dickinson facility is located. It also handles traffic Northward from a Danbury interchange with the "quite going concern" P&W to Brookfield (the rubbing alcohol - UN1219 Cl 3) and whatever is left of the industrial base New Milford was aggressively courting 55-60 years ago when I was "on The Hill". New Milford-Canaan reportedly sees this "garbage train" about four times a week.
Not quite. There's no interchange with P&W at Danbury. HRRC's sole interchange at present is with CSX at Pittsfield. P&W serves the few customers still left on the Danbury Branch (Ring's End, Vanderbilt Chemicals in Bethel, Sperry Rail Service in Danbury.) They also serve the Tilcon Connecticut asphalt plant that's just south of I-84 on the Maybrook/Berkshire Line trackage parallel to Federal Road-- not sure how the trackage rights work with that one. Everything else in the Danbury/Newtown area, both Maybrook and Berkshire lines, is HRRC. I believe the biggest customer in the area is Shepaug Transload in Hawleyville, which is located on the stub of the old Litchfield Branch.

As discussed farther back in the thread, P&W would very much like to serve their Danbury and Bethel customers via Maybrook Line trackage rights instead of using the Shore Line and the Danbury Branch, but the state of the trackage between Derby Jct. and Botsford prevents it from doing so.
  by atholrail
 
Chased NX12 north to Pitts and back to Canaan Friday. Also caught NX11 switching out the large Lime Plant at Canaan. Here's some of the shots...

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