MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:36 amYeesh, they didn't even last 15 years! When they were new, they were a big upgrade in reliability over the contemporary F40s.stevefol wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:13 am Wrongly added to the GP40MC thread - are 010/011 ever returning?I'll check in again, but last I was told, was the T doesn't want them back. Tried to get rid of them, and no one bought them
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F40PH-3C overhaul program
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The MBTA should get an order of MPXpress locomotives to replace whatever class of locomotive sis next in line for retirement (probably the GP40MCs). They are great locomotives.
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only 9 rebuilds operating South Side 1069, 1065, 1053, 1028, 1050, 1064, 1061, 1066, 1060
MBTA F40PH-2C 1050 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:37 am only 9 rebuilds operating South Side 1069, 1065, 1053, 1028, 1050, 1064, 1061, 1066, 10601066/1815
Im surprised there hasn't been any action on the F40s in a while. I thought we were in a good position with the swapped serial #ed 1029 and 1033
Hearing nothing until April. Hopefully that is wrong!
GP40MC1118 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:58 pm Hearing nothing until April. Hopefully that is wrong!they can keep them out there. Lipstick on a pig
Do wonder why the MP36s didn't work out for the T outside maintenance challenges considering Metra has slightly older engines and I assume they are still running or GO Transit's MP40s which, honestly I'm surprised the T didn't consider ordering a few of those. Maybe I am missing something.
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The two MP36s were black sheep as they had their own maintenance needs compared to the rest of the fleet, and at the time, the MBTA wanted more but couldn't get any (there were none on the secondary market, and MPI couldn't build any more as they were not EPA Tier 3 compliant).
MP40s were an option in the first round of bidding as they were made EPA Tier 3 compliant, but they did not fit the MBTA's needs due to weight. The MBTA operates at 79mph on the corridor and the MP40s would put too much wear on the track due to the weight. The only agency that operated them at the time (GO Transit) did not operate at such speeds with them. There was an option to reduce the size of the fuel tank to reduce weight, but the MBTA did not like that option. The inital winner of the first round of bidding was Vossloh Espana (Vossloh's former Spanish arm) who would have built an Americanized version of the Vossloh (now Stadler) Euro 3000, but they pulled out when they were not able to get a waiver for the Buy American Act. After a second round of bidding, that's when the MPI HSP-46 proposal won.
(In hindsight, it was good that we never got the Vossloh units as they would possibly be in limbo at this point for support as Vossloh has pulled out of the business; most of their rail products have been sold off (ie the Euro 3000 is now a Stadler product), and the construction of remaining Vossloh branded locomotive products are now built by CRRC)
The F40PH-3C rebuild program should have been done earlier, but the problem was that the locomotives probably couldn't have been rotated out at a sufficient pace at the time to make any real progress as the GP40MC top deck overhauls were being done at the time. The delivery of the HSP-46s helped immensely to free up older locomotives for overhaul.
MP40s were an option in the first round of bidding as they were made EPA Tier 3 compliant, but they did not fit the MBTA's needs due to weight. The MBTA operates at 79mph on the corridor and the MP40s would put too much wear on the track due to the weight. The only agency that operated them at the time (GO Transit) did not operate at such speeds with them. There was an option to reduce the size of the fuel tank to reduce weight, but the MBTA did not like that option. The inital winner of the first round of bidding was Vossloh Espana (Vossloh's former Spanish arm) who would have built an Americanized version of the Vossloh (now Stadler) Euro 3000, but they pulled out when they were not able to get a waiver for the Buy American Act. After a second round of bidding, that's when the MPI HSP-46 proposal won.
(In hindsight, it was good that we never got the Vossloh units as they would possibly be in limbo at this point for support as Vossloh has pulled out of the business; most of their rail products have been sold off (ie the Euro 3000 is now a Stadler product), and the construction of remaining Vossloh branded locomotive products are now built by CRRC)
The F40PH-3C rebuild program should have been done earlier, but the problem was that the locomotives probably couldn't have been rotated out at a sufficient pace at the time to make any real progress as the GP40MC top deck overhauls were being done at the time. The delivery of the HSP-46s helped immensely to free up older locomotives for overhaul.
18 units were replaced by 40, I'll say that order freed up units for overhaul for sure!
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Are the MP36's still going to be rebuilt or is something else happening. I'm confused.
The MP36s are still scheduled for rebuild
Sean Graham-White
New passenger locomotives are kind of expensive with long lead times. They would probably want to buy locos that would pull 8 double-deckers at 79 MPH or even faster to future proof. And they would have to be Tier-IV. So basically would have to go to the back of the line behind Amtrak. Better to overhaul everything they already own first.
