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 #1463953  by David Benton
 
Occupancy rates are always low on corridor and commuter services. Your peak hour services may be over 100% , but the offpeak services could be as low as 10 % .However , everything is sized to try and meet peak hour demand. So the actual avoidable cost of running the off peak services is pretty low. You've got trains ,rails and staff, sitting there after the peak. Those costs are largely fixed , wether you use them offpeak or not.
That's where your demand pricing comes in , to try to move people from the peaks to offpeak. As "Southern" says , the offpeak riders are pretty much pure profit, however the offpeak services would show low occupancy , and at first glance , running at a huge loss.
 #1463973  by STrRedWolf
 
electricron wrote: True, but you are still comparing apples with oranges. Even the NEC is a linear system while planes aren’t. Check the occupancy of the trains near NY Penn Station, it probably soars over 90%.
Amtrak could drop cars off the consist as the trains gets further away, like drop two cars at Philadelphia, drop another car off at Wilmington, and add a car at Baltimore and add two cars at BWI to keep the occupancy rates high. But do you want to sit and wait at these stations for Amtrak to switch cars on and off? Nay, I didn’t think you did.
Sounds like you haven't even traveled on the NE Regional or Accela from DC to NY and back. Between DC and NYC, it's nearly packed. If you're boarding at BWI or Baltimore or Philly, forget getting a seat by the window. The outliers (Virginia to DC, NYC to Boston), those could be half empty, but if you're in DC to NYC, reserved seating is a must for operations.

Adding cars? Those stations have to be equipped to do so. The only ones I know that can do it reasonably quickly is DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NYC. BWI doesn't have four tracks nor any workshop within an arm's throw to put more cars on it, and that means slapping a full interlocking set on that area as well as four tracks and the rebuild of the station. Wilmington has three tracks with all three platforms but the same deal applies. Plus, I'm not even talking about how many cars the Sprinters can haul (the technical limitations).

No, you gotta add track capacity first. Four tracks DC to NYC, including all bridges and tunnels. That's the only solution here.
 #1463999  by east point
 
The addition of cars for a certain train is not very efficient. However instead if a short route train just led a historical overbooked train then you could get more efficiency. Example train abc leaves WASH and fills at BAL. Operate train efg BAL - PHL and do not allow bookings on train abc until 2 hours before departure from BAL. That works well for the NEC. However the LD trains with maybe a very few once daily trains that does not work.
 #1464060  by mtuandrew
 
east point wrote:The addition of cars for a certain train is not very efficient. However instead if a short route train just led a historical overbooked train then you could get more efficiency. Example train abc leaves WASH and fills at BAL. Operate train efg BAL - PHL and do not allow bookings on train abc until 2 hours before departure from BAL. That works well for the NEC. However the LD trains with maybe a very few once daily trains that does not work.
It does seem to be a good idea to add short-turn cars on LD trains though; the Empire Builder regularly adds and drops cars CHI-MSP (807-808) and I've heard that the California Zephyr does the same for CHI-DEN. Maybe the same happens on the Southwest Chief CHI-KCY?