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Anyone know where an updated track plan is located ?. Had one but cannot find it now ?
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ExCon90 wrote:It is an internal document (that was actually updated last month) that has the long term vision of various corridors (Albany line, NEC, etc.) Villa and Nova are little more detailed than ExCon90 described but that isn't really important. What is important is this updated vision rationalizes Bryn Mawr interlocking. It doesn't replace it.The remnants of Bryn Mawr will be a carbon copy of Menlo Interlocking, but equipped with high speed switches.andrewjw wrote:Where is this Villanova interlocking documented? Where is the suggestion that it will replace Bryn Mawr, instead of augment?I've seen a track diagram, but I forget who showed it to me. VILLA, west of the station, and NOVA, east of it, will enable a train to cross over from 2 to 1 or 3 to 4 for the station stop, then back to 2 or 3 after the stop -- much like ISELIN and MENLO (Metropark) on the NEC. No idea what the target date is. Maybe someone knows whether it's accessible on the net.
andrewjw wrote:Does this imply Amtrak might move to Bryn Mawr or Villanova instead of Ardmore?No. Bryn Mawr is the closest interlocking to Ardmore to get westbounds back over to 3 or take eastbounds from 2 to 1 when working at ARD when SEPTA locals are west of Brynn Mawr.
ExCon90 wrote:Operationally it would be easier, but there would be some significant local opposition to eliminating Ardmore as a stop; for one thing there's better access by local transportation to Ardmore than to Villanova.Villanova would largely serve as a park n ride I think. I'm sure the university would generate some keystone ridership west of phl njt students aren't likely to be riding amtrak to nyp. Ardmore is close to a dense cluster of agr riders in lower merion. I agree that amtrak better have its ducks in a row if it plans on shuttering ardmore...a ridership study perhaps but ultimately I suspect penndot would make the call, after all they are helping to fund a new station in ardmore
Suburban Station wrote:The university would actually generate eastbound traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if 25-50% of the students are from the NJ, NY, CT area and would definitely opt for Amtrak over public transportation connections. That balloons to 50-75 if you consider MD, DC and MA. Though that alone would not sustain a stop considering the small size of the school.ExCon90 wrote:Operationally it would be easier, but there would be some significant local opposition to eliminating Ardmore as a stop; for one thing there's better access by local transportation to Ardmore than to Villanova.Villanova would largely serve as a park n ride I think. I'm sure the university would generate some keystone ridership west of phl njt students aren't likely to be riding amtrak to nyp. Ardmore is close to a dense cluster of agr riders in lower merion. I agree that amtrak better have its ducks in a row if it plans on shuttering ardmore...a ridership study perhaps but ultimately I suspect penndot would make the call, after all they are helping to fund a new station in ardmore
nova08 wrote: The university would actually generate eastbound traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if 25-50% of the students are from the NJ, NY, CT area and would definitely opt for Amtrak over public transportation connections. That balloons to 50-75 if you consider MD, DC and MA. Though that alone would not sustain a stop considering the small size of the school.The problem is those locations are well served by buses just across the street from 30th st st much lower prices. There would certainly be some traffic but how much remains to be seen. The septa stop handles fewer people than the ardmore stop. Bryn mawr is a logical midpoint between the two and a short uber/Lyft ride for a lot of the market in both directions. As you know, that area is also home to a lot of nova students.
Ardmore confuses me. It seems too close to philly but then if it were Bryn Mawr or Villanova, they are closer to Paoli.
Suburban Station wrote: The problem is those locations are well served by buses just across the street from 30th st st much lower prices. There would certainly be some traffic but how much remains to be seen. The septa stop handles fewer people than the ardmore stop. Bryn mawr is a logical midpoint between the two and a short uber/Lyft ride for a lot of the market in both directions. As you know, that area is also home to a lot of nova students.The SEPTA buses you speak of are slow, late, and a much less pleasant ride than the SEPTA regional rail. They usually require a transfer to the MFSE, except the 44. Despite being cheaper, they gave considerably lower patronage than the parallel stops on the SEPTA regional rail. Nova students who want to transfer to Amtrak probably take SEPTA regional rail to 30th, currently.
andrewjw wrote:I'm referring to bolt and megabus services that are an easy transfer across the street from 30th.Suburban Station wrote: The problem is those locations are well served by buses just across the street from 30th st st much lower prices. There would certainly be some traffic but how much remains to be seen. The septa stop handles fewer people than the ardmore stop. Bryn mawr is a logical midpoint between the two and a short uber/Lyft ride for a lot of the market in both directions. As you know, that area is also home to a lot of nova students.The SEPTA buses you speak of are slow, late, and a much less pleasant ride than the SEPTA regional rail. They usually require a transfer to the MFSE, except the 44. Despite being cheaper, they gave considerably lower patronage than the parallel stops on the SEPTA regional rail. Nova students who want to transfer to Amtrak probably take SEPTA regional rail to 30th, currently.
Suburban Station wrote: I'm referring to bolt and megabus services that are an easy transfer across the street from 30th.Bolt/Megabus has flaws. The big three I can think of are: