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General discussion about locomotives, rolling stock, and equipment

Moderator: John_Perkowski

  by deandremouse
 
I was wondering how people go about buying locomotives and railcars and privately owning them.

After they pay for the piece what else besides transportation should be factored in? like applying for reporting marks, if any work needs to be done to move it, etc.
  by DutchRailnut
 
besides owning the rail car, now comes maintenance, including keeping air valves and trucks within inspection dates (costly bills of contractors).
you need a place to store the car and a way to provide for car, water and power, security ?
  by ex Budd man
 
Two things come to mind as to owning a piece of railway equipment. Statements made by boat owners; "a boat is a hole in the water that you throw money into", and "the two happiest days of an owner are the day you get it and the day you sell it".
Seriously, there are brokers that buy and sell used locos and cars, just look on the web and you'll find them. If I had Jay Leno's money I'd have "Planes, Trains and Automobiles"!!!....and maybe even a boat.........LOL.

P.S. if you're in the market, SEPTA still has a few Budd MUs for sale.
  by Cowford
 
Deandre, are you referring to museum pieces or commercial frieght rolling stock?
  by deandremouse
 
I actually wanted to find out about freight equipment, for example a modern day boxcar.
  by Freddy
 
deandremouse wrote:I actually wanted to find out about freight equipment, for example a modern day boxcar.
There's a website I just now looked at called cabooses4sale.com. It says they've got boxes.
  by Cowford
 
Ok, here goes. Warning: I might not get all this dead nuts accurate, and this is probably more than you wanted, but...

When a new car is scheduled to be manufactured, the prospective car owner first needs to decide on how the car is going to be identified once active on the North American rail network. Each car requires a reporting mark and a number in a unique combination. A reporting mark is a two- to four-letter alpha code that identifies the ownership; the number is… well, just that… a one- to six-digit identifier. The owner will either have an existing reporting mark assigned that they can use or, if not, they must apply to the Association of American Railroads (AAR) for a reporting mark assignment. One can request any combination of letters so long as it is unassigned, but non-railroad owner marks must end with an “X”, as in UTLX, GATX, etc. Different car fleets under one road/owner may be segmented by reporting marks for ease of identification. The letters are usually not randomly selected. (Example: All UP reefers are stenciled ARMN... I’ve no idea on the history behind that reporting mark, but I’d bet a nickel it’s not random and stands for something.)

Once the reporting mark is decided upon/assigned, the owner “pre-registers” the car reporting mark(s) and number(s) in a centralized equipment registry and database called “UMLER” (which stands for Uniform Machine Language Equipment Register). UMLER is accessible by subscription through Railinc. (Railinc is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the AAR, based in NC which acts as the railroad’s primary data clearinghouse, particularly for North American system-wide activities. The pre-registration effectively gets the cars “in the system”. Subsequent to pre-registration, the owner (in the event of railroad-controlled equipment) will negotiate bilateral agreements with other carriers to establish car-hire rates. (Also called per-diem and established on a cents per hour basis.) These rates (which may be different from carrier-to-carrier) are entered into each car’s CHARM file (Car Hire Accounting Rate Master) within UMLER. Additionally, the owner will enter a plethora of builder-supplied car detail in UMLER: Dimensions, gross weight limits, capacity, wheel size, etc.

When the car comes off the manufacturing line, it is given a final inspection. A Certificate of Acceptance (C of A) is generated by the builder and forwarded to the owner. Once the C of A is received, the owner goes back into UMLER, enters the built date and activates the car. Cars are then assigned into a “pool” (rail-controlled equipment) or lessee (private equipment). Pools could be an individual shipper pool, railroad pool, or a national pool. Pool codes are used by car distributors at individual roads to help figure out which car goes where.

Manufacturers are given shipping instructions by the new owner. The railroad(s) involved with transporting the new equipment to its first point of loading or home road will charge a mileage-based rate for equipment move.

Before shipment, all cars are “tagged” with an Automatic Equipment Identification (AEI) RFID tag on each side of the car that contains, at a minimum, the car’s reporting marks and number. Once out of shop, the cars are rushed to the nearest rail yard to then get tagged by idiots with spray cans and too much time on their hands.

Oh, a twist with private cars. When a shipper wants to bring cars into their fleet at a particular location, they need to apply for permission to the serving railroad. This is called OT-5 Authority and is meant to: 1. Give the railroad some power over preventing congestion at a certain industry/serving yard, and 2. Give the railroad some power over shippers unfairly displacing railroad-owned equipment with privates. Privates are typically not subject to car-hire. Rather, the railroads pay the owners a (value-based) mileage rate when moving loaded to compensate for the shipper having to bear the equipment cost. Most shippers today opt out of private mileage rates (it’s an accounting nightmare) in exchange for lower net rates.
  by GSC
 
If the railcar is to be placed on a non-railroad location, like on a foundation somewhere, you have to factor in cranes and heavy-haul trucking to get it there, along with oversize load and weight highway permits, building permits from the town where you are taking to car to its new home, probably a variance to allow you to place it there in the first place, and signed documents from your neighbors of a certain radius that they won't mind it there.

If you plan to use it as a house, then add in utility hookups and construction inspections and approvals of each, along with a certificate of occupancy.
  by deandremouse
 
Cowford wrote:Ok, here goes. Warning: I might not get all this dead nuts accurate, and this is probably more than you wanted, but...

When a new car is scheduled to be manufactured, the prospective car owner first needs to decide on how the car is going to be identified once active on the North American rail network. Each car requires a reporting mark and a number in a unique combination. A reporting mark is a two- to four-letter alpha code that identifies the ownership; the number is… well, just that… a one- to six-digit identifier. The owner will either have an existing reporting mark assigned that they can use or, if not, they must apply to the Association of American Railroads (AAR) for a reporting mark assignment. One can request any combination of letters so long as it is unassigned, but non-railroad owner marks must end with an “X”, as in UTLX, GATX, etc. Different car fleets under one road/owner may be segmented by reporting marks for ease of identification. The letters are usually not randomly selected. (Example: All UP reefers are stenciled ARMN... I’ve no idea on the history behind that reporting mark, but I’d bet a nickel it’s not random and stands for something.)

Once the reporting mark is decided upon/assigned, the owner “pre-registers” the car reporting mark(s) and number(s) in a centralized equipment registry and database called “UMLER” (which stands for Uniform Machine Language Equipment Register). UMLER is accessible by subscription through Railinc. (Railinc is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the AAR, based in NC which acts as the railroad’s primary data clearinghouse, particularly for North American system-wide activities. The pre-registration effectively gets the cars “in the system”. Subsequent to pre-registration, the owner (in the event of railroad-controlled equipment) will negotiate bilateral agreements with other carriers to establish car-hire rates. (Also called per-diem and established on a cents per hour basis.) These rates (which may be different from carrier-to-carrier) are entered into each car’s CHARM file (Car Hire Accounting Rate Master) within UMLER. Additionally, the owner will enter a plethora of builder-supplied car detail in UMLER: Dimensions, gross weight limits, capacity, wheel size, etc.

When the car comes off the manufacturing line, it is given a final inspection. A Certificate of Acceptance (C of A) is generated by the builder and forwarded to the owner. Once the C of A is received, the owner goes back into UMLER, enters the built date and activates the car. Cars are then assigned into a “pool” (rail-controlled equipment) or lessee (private equipment). Pools could be an individual shipper pool, railroad pool, or a national pool. Pool codes are used by car distributors at individual roads to help figure out which car goes where.

Manufacturers are given shipping instructions by the new owner. The railroad(s) involved with transporting the new equipment to its first point of loading or home road will charge a mileage-based rate for equipment move.

Before shipment, all cars are “tagged” with an Automatic Equipment Identification (AEI) RFID tag on each side of the car that contains, at a minimum, the car’s reporting marks and number. Once out of shop, the cars are rushed to the nearest rail yard to then get tagged by idiots with spray cans and too much time on their hands.

Oh, a twist with private cars. When a shipper wants to bring cars into their fleet at a particular location, they need to apply for permission to the serving railroad. This is called OT-5 Authority and is meant to: 1. Give the railroad some power over preventing congestion at a certain industry/serving yard, and 2. Give the railroad some power over shippers unfairly displacing railroad-owned equipment with privates. Privates are typically not subject to car-hire. Rather, the railroads pay the owners a (value-based) mileage rate when moving loaded to compensate for the shipper having to bear the equipment cost. Most shippers today opt out of private mileage rates (it’s an accounting nightmare) in exchange for lower net rates.
Thanks for this post.

this was very informative, now I know how it's done thanks!