MattAmity90 wrote:MACTRAXX wrote:NK: April 20, 1969 would either make this M1 a test train or a Mineola/East Williston MU run.
Keep in mind back then the Mineola-Huntington Electrification was under construction.
The LIRR would learn that the shortest M1 trains that could be practically run would be four cars
thanks to the large gaps in places such as either side of Jamaica Station. Later as Krispy mentions
that would become six cars due to the long gaps in the crossovers between Valley Stream Station
and the West Hempstead Branch going across both Babylon Branch tracks especially going east.
The Herricks Road crossing was NOT the widest in electrified territory but what made it dangerous
was that the gates would stay down for longer periods of time - what I am not sure about was if the
HR gates would go down when westbound trains were stopped at Mineola Station. This could make
motorists impatient and then a few would chance fate and run around the lowered gates.
The 3/14/1982 Herricks Road accident occurred 36 years ago this month.
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=66264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; a previous HR crossing discussion.
Getting back to the original topic what the LIRR found is that short trains could be subject to third
rail gap troubles and that running longer MU consists could solve this problem.
MACTRAXX
I know why the crossing was the most dangerous, aside from the facts that the distance between Mineola and Merillon Avenue is only a mile with the crossing precisely halfway in between, the old NASSAU interlocking was located between Mineola and the crossing, it was four lanes wide, and the ends of the gates on each side did not meet the yellow lines leaving a clear path for a car to go around or straight through. What was or is the widest crossing in electrified territory.
MA90:
How do YOU know so much about the Herricks Road Crossing? (again going off the original topic)
https://www.ntsb.gov/Investigations/Acc ... R8202.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are 17 related recommendation pages included.
The Herricks Road Crossing accident occurred on 3/14/1982 and the crossing was eliminated in
late 1990s.
Going back to the original topic: One of the widest grade crossings in electrified territory is located
at Bethpage Station - the Stewart Avenue crossing. When eastbound trains leave Bethpage it is
wide enough for a pair to go totally off of the third rail - the last shoe on the second car creates
a noticeable arc because MU trains draw the most power/amperage starting from a station stop.
This is the reason that each station will have a substation at or nearby to provide this energy.
On a related personal matter on the subject of posting in this Forum:
This is an example why I no longer like to take part or answer questions when you are posting in
these forums since you come off as some sort of know-it-all especially when it pertains to subjects
like this one that was back before you were born.
I only contribute or reply when I can help or have pertinent information to add to a given topic.
The best feature of all forums is the opportunity to learn about something - I don't need to be
constantly posting when someone posts something interesting. I go into all this with the thought
of learning something new each day or remembering what happened in past railroad history.
MACTRAXX
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