• Troy and Schenectady Branch

  • Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.
Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.

Moderator: Otto Vondrak

  by duramaxdiesel
 
Anybody out there ever work the Troy and Schenectady Branch. Any stories or info would be apprieciated. Deano
  by ChiefTroll
 
I never worked on it, being a youngster, but I saw it operating. One interesting move was a weekly car of butter, from the NYC at Schenectady to Cohoes on the T&S switcher. The NYC Troy Yard crew would go to Cohoes to pick it up and take it to the B&M at Troy. The night local from Troy took it to H. P. Hood at Eagle Bridge on their tortuous way to Mechanicville. That was going on until about 1961.

Why the car moved that way instead of via Mechanicville is beyond me. The T&H had been down to 10 mph for years before that.

Gordon Davids

  by Otto Vondrak
 
When did Troy Union Station come down? 1958? I guess the running track through the station area came up shortly after?

How did a separate passenger terminal develop at Troy?

-otto-

  by kinlock
 
Yes, 1958

Probably got a single railroad station in Troy because so little space at the river level (a lot of Troy is up on the hill). There were four railroads coming into Troy: B&M, S&H, Troy&Greenbush (later NY Central) and Troy&Schenectady (later NY Central). They formed the Troy Union Railroad
  by ChiefTroll
 
The four railroads that originally formed the Troy Union Railroad were the Rensselaer and Saratoga (D&H), Troy and Boston (B&M), Troy and Greenbush (NYC) and Schenectady and Troy (NYC). That's how the NYC ended up with half ownership of the TURR, and the others each had one quarter.

One primary reason for a railroad station in Troy, separate from Albany, was the civic pride and enlightened self interest of the businessmen of Troy. That also brought about the Schenectady and Troy Railroad, which was built by Troy interests so they would be better able to compete with Albany businesses for western commerce.

Another reason was the Rensselaer and Saratoga Railroad. Troy, and not Albany, was their original southern terminus. Even to the end of Troy Union Station, the D&H generally preferred to exchange trains with the NYC at Troy, and not Albany. For one reason, the equipment for a Troy train could go from Colonie to Troy with the engine in the lead, and turn the train on the wye at Troy. The Albany move had to be done in reverse in each direction.

Troy was the western terminus of the Boston and Maine, and they did not have rights to run to Albany. The Rutland trains that served Troy, and generally connected with the NYC, were actually B&M trains as soon as they crossed the state line at White Creek, even though they were run by Rutland engines and crews. That was a run-through agreement, not trackage rights, and the engine and crew hours were balanced by the B&M taking Rutland trains directly from Bellows Falls to Rutland.

The station building came down in 1958, almost as soon as the passenger service ended. In 1959, three of the station tracks remained - Tracks 3, 4 and 6 (numbered away from the river). Tower 1 at the south end of the station remained, but was closed. Tower 2 at the north end was open days 7 days per week, as was Tower 3 at River Street, the west end of the wye. The T&G Branch was still double track, with automatic block signals. Tower 2 effectively controlled the end of double track and the switch at the south end of the wye, as well as the north end formerly (until about 1940) controlled by Tower 4. Tower 3 controlled the west wye, and the junction with the T&S over on Green Island (on the D&H) as well as the locking for the Green Island Bridge.

Nearly all of the street crossings had crossing watchmen, on one trick in 1959-60. The main reason for keeping Towers 2 and 3 open was that they also handled the crossing gates on Grand Street (2), and River Street and Fifth Avenue (3).

In the summer of 1960 the interlocking at Tower 1 was retired and replaced by a manual switch between T&G tracks 1 and 2, leading into Station Track 6. Tracks 3 and 4 were removed, and the parking lot on the site of the former station building was expanded to the east by that much land.

By fall of 1960, the Rutland had gone through a strike and their Sunday operation through Troy was eliminated, so the TURR went onto a six-day week. By 1963 it was all gone.
  by duramaxdiesel
 
Guys thanks for all the imput. I am starting a Troy and Schenectady Branch list on yahoo. Ken Thanks again for reminding me of you great site. I already have a link posted to it. I am in the planning stage so its still a little rough. Again thanks for the input. Deano
  by trainsinmaine
 
My mother was brought up in Niskayuna. When I was a kid, she, my dad and I used to make frequent trips to visit relatives in the Schenectady area (we lived in central Mass.). Every so often she enjoyed taking us out to Lock 7, I think it was, of the Barge Canal, off Rosendale Road. I remember when the T & S was active and there was a beautiful little stone arch overpass over the access road from Rosendale to the lock.
When the track removed in the '70s and the ROW was turned into a bike path, the overpass was torn down. A cryin' shame.