by Ocala Mike
Ocala Mike (formerly Hillside Mike and Deer Park Mike)
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thirdtrick wrote:It is inconceivable to me that the Union Pacific Railroad--with their vast territory & long history--wouldn't have a safety rule out there regarding derailments which occur over bridges or viaducts... And especially over public roads.What??? My impression from the reports is that the train derailed due to a track failure (heat kink) probably off the bridge, the cars piled up on the bridge far exceeding the weight the bridge was designed to support, and the bridge failed. I would be surprised if it was more than 15 to 20 seconds between the initial derailment and the collapse of the bridge. Most likely by the time the crew had an opportunity to report anything, the bridge was down.
Heads are are gonna roll on this fiasco as well... That Shermer Rd. underpass should have been blocked off as soon as there were reports that a loaded coal train had derailed upon the structure.
thirdtrick wrote:Indeed, if there were only mere seconds to respond to the disaster, then that would certainly change things...I'm not seeing anything in that article to suggest there was any appreciable time between the derailment and the bridge collapse.
And contradict this news report: http://www.sun-times.com/13604177-761/c ... lapse.html
So why don't we have the truth, Omaha?
lstone19 wrote:I'm not seeing anything in that article to suggest there was any appreciable time between the derailment and the bridge collapse.Agreed. There was no time available to set up road blocks or evacuate the area before the derailment collapsed the bridge.
Chicago Tribune wrote:In Wednesday's derailment, Tony Nielsen said he was working in a nearby office building when he heard the train and then "the whole building shook."The derailment and bridge collapse were all part of the same building shaking event.
He said that although they often feel the rumble of the trains going past, he and his co-workers ran outside when they felt the building shake.
"The train was already derailed; the bridge had collapsed," he said.
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Chicago Tribune wrote:Erich Gibbs, who owns a business in the area, said he was driving on Shermer under the bridge about noon Wednesday, less than two hours before the accident, and he saw a worker wearing a colored safety vest walking on the tracks.A witness to the track inspection before the accident.
"It looked like he was checking something out,'' said Gibbs, 72, of Wilmette. "An hour and a half later, the train .... crushed the bridge.''
Davis confirmed that Union Pacific inspectors and monitoring equipment were on the tracks before the accident checking for possible abnormalities in track gauge or shifting. Such inspections are routinely conducted twice a day during extreme heat or cold, he said.
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pumpers wrote:Apparently the wreck occured first , and then the weight of all the derailed coal hoppers right on top of the bridge then caused the bridge to fail. JS
lstone19 wrote:I'm not seeing anything in that article to suggest there was any appreciable time between the derailment and the bridge collapse.Fair enough. I took this quote from the article out of context then: "The engineers and car crew said the bridge was intact when the train went over. It all seemed fine to them,” Union Pacific spokesman Mark Davis said."