• Push for $3.6b electric rail plan

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Discussion about railroad topics everywhere outside of Canada and the United States.

Moderators: Komachi, David Benton

  by David Benton
 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... D=10400727

Auckland , New Zealand , may finally decide on going ahead with electrification . though , given past plitics , making the decision will probably take longer than the actual work .
  by george matthews
 
David Benton wrote:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... D=10400727

Auckland , New Zealand , may finally decide on going ahead with electrification . though , given past politics , making the decision will probably take longer than the actual work .
Would that link up with the electrified mainline?

If so, it would reduce the costs of the Overlander, a bit, by avoiding the need to change locos, or build an electro-diesel.

  by David Benton
 
it would leave about a 80 km gap , George . It would be logical to complete this gap , and so allow continuouis electrical service as far south as palmerston north . That would also provide a link to the norths largest power station at huntly , where most of the power would come from .
unfortunately there will be alot of politics involved . the government and the rail operator toll , are already fighting over how much should be charged for the existing electrfication . Toll are saying they dont need it and to rip it out . The govt would like to see it kept for enviromental reasons . defintely their coalition partner the greens would have a dim view of it been pulled .
As far as the overlander goes , it probably wouldnt make alot of difference . unless some cheap emu rolling stock could be found to replace the existing carriages .

  by george matthews
 
David Benton wrote:it would leave about a 80 km gap , George . It would be logical to complete this gap , and so allow continuouis electrical service as far south as palmerston north . That would also provide a link to the norths largest power station at huntly , where most of the power would come from .
unfortunately there will be alot of politics involved . the government and the rail operator toll , are already fighting over how much should be charged for the existing electrfication . Toll are saying they dont need it and to rip it out . The govt would like to see it kept for enviromental reasons . defintely their coalition partner the greens would have a dim view of it been pulled .
As far as the overlander goes , it probably wouldnt make alot of difference . unless some cheap emu rolling stock could be found to replace the existing carriages .
I suppose I was thinking about the British West Coast mainline.

During the 1960s the Glasgow suburban system was electrified but the mainline was not electrified from Crewe to Motherwell. I can remember changing trains at Motherwell.

But of course there was already a plan to complete the electrification between Crewe and Glasgow.

Since privatisation electrification has ceased. One of the Train Operating Companies even said they would like to pull it out on the East Coat mainline. They have not succeeded, and since that thought the price of oil soared (electricity also). But even small infill schemes have been dropped as they have become enormously expensive.

The Greens should stick to their policy. Oil is not going to go down again. China's demand is going to keep the price high.

  by David Benton
 
correct . unfortunately the pric of copper is going up even more than oil . Hopefully things will change between now and 2011 or whenever it is .

  by george matthews
 
David Benton wrote:correct . unfortunately the pric of copper is going up even more than oil . Hopefully things will change between now and 2011 or whenever it is .
There is a development that may make Overhead unnecessary.

Sir Alex Lyons, a big noise in the rail industry says he is sure that hydrogen fuel cells will be more efficient on rail than on road vehicules. They will have the advantages of electric traction without the cost of overhead. He says this type of loco will be suitable for lightly used lines where Overhead is too expensive. New Zealand might fit that.

Iceland has a plan to replace all its oil usages by hydrogen. So far some buses.

(But Iceland has no railways, thougb a line to the airport has been proposed).