Southern Tier - East of Binghamton

so what is going on the ns has a detour trians runing on the NYSW ?
at some point the nysw should just get bought out there is no point for it any more

william3206200 wrote:so what is going on the ns has a detour trians runing on the NYSW ?
at some point the nysw should just get bought out there is no point for it any more

not many crews available, so if they just use the NYSW extra crews to bring it down to Croxton and NS takes it to Allentown, then it would actually be faster.

why do you think the susie-Q should get bought? most trains on the susquehanna southern division are NYSW trains. and only once sometimes twice a week there are detour trains. therefore half that statement doesnt make sence.

NYSW crews can't and won't go to Croxton. They can go as far as CP Marion but then NS crews will take over and it spits the train out south of Croxton. The NYSW route will also never be faster than any other route NS could use. The Tier via Suffern would be faster and on a normal day, the CP route would be much faster.

The Susquehanna was already bought... it happened over a decade ago. They're owned by NS/CSX and the Rich estate. They make sense as a short line and the reason they are still running through to Binghamton is because they are giving NS tax breaks on the Tier. Other than that, NS and CSX could absorb their online traffic on their own trains out of NJ with no one noticing.

what detours? hasn't been one in awhile now. When will MN finish up the east end? I read that there are financial incentives to finish early and they are working 24/7 to complete the job. I have a feeling with good weather it may be done earlier than "end of the year"

SecaucusJunction wrote:The Susquehanna was already bought... it happened over a decade ago. They're owned by NS/CSX and the Rich estate. They make sense as a short line and the reason they are still running through to Binghamton is because they are giving NS tax breaks on the Tier. Other than that, NS and CSX could absorb their online traffic on their own trains out of NJ with no one noticing.

Agreed. I don't think CSX would give up their share of NYSW easily... since in essence they'd be giving NS another exclusive route into NJ.

Remember, the line won't be completed by December, but it will be useable. Any meets between SF and Sterling will need to be moved one way or the other. This will also probably hurt NS if they want to run an H07 type train while blocking a main track to work Hillburn.

As far as the NYSW, I believe that NS and CSX probably threw them a few bones to keep them quiet during that time. There was a lot of talk going on around the time of the merger about the NYSW joining forces with a Canadian Railroad to gain access to NJ. The day they signed the buyout is the last time they were relevant in main line railroading in the northeast, but it did keep them afloat. CSX is also probably happy to have an emergency route if they dump a train or gridlock themselves in NY State.

"CSX is also probably happy to have an emergency route if they dump a train or gridlock themselves in NY State."

Esp. since CSX dumps a train in NY state at least once or twice a year

Why won't the NYS&W go to Croxton. We went to Croxton 6 nights a week to bring cars to the EL and pick up our own cars. When did the NYS&W sell the bridge over county road.

SecaucusJunction wrote:There was a lot of talk going on around the time of the merger about the NYSW joining forces with a Canadian Railroad to gain access to NJ.

Canadian National was the railroad...

chief wrote:Why won't the NYS&W go to Croxton. We went to Croxton 6 nights a week to bring cars to the EL and pick up our own cars. When did the NYS&W sell the bridge over county road.

they dont own it and they interchange with NS in both Binghamton and Passaic Jct. they go as far as North Bergen now.

they used to own it. I think if i remember reading it right. NYSW sold it to CSX so they can route there trains to kearny.

The bridge and trackage over County Road where sold to Conrail as part of the deal to get the Campbell Hall connection at HJ installed in 1988.

Appreciate the info. How has track work season been going up on the CNY?

SecaucusJunction wrote:Appreciate the info. How has track work season been going up on the CNY?

Probably the same as it has been every "track season"!

>>Appreciate the info. How has track work season been going up on the CNY?

>>Probably the same as it has been every "track season"!

Yes, just like every other season, just about to start
They are almost done on the Southern Division.