by The EGE
Why no M3s - do they not fit, or just not worth it since they're on the way out?
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photobug56 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:15 pm...much of the cost of ESA is related to, supposedly, incompetence, lack of supervision, nepotism, massive numbers of workers without actual work to do, excessive tool spec requirements and the like.Would you care to cite original sources for any of the above claims?
gamer4616 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:58 pm Some new information has popped up.
This is effective November 15th, 2021 as per General Order 703
Grand Central Terminal Branch has been added to the employee timetable, in the special instructions. It is not printed yet in the station pages. This is the first reference to Grand Central Terminal in the employee timetable.
Some information...
E10 locomotives, E15 locomotives, E20 (GP38's) locomotives, DE/DM locomotives, and M3 equipment are all prohibited in GCT. So M7/M9 only for GCT. This was assumed to be the case.
Station Tracks are listed as:
201-204, 301-304
GCT will consist of 6 Interlockings (GCT 1-6)
The upper level will have 2 "island" platforms with 4 tracks (201-204), and that will trail west into 2 "Tail Tracks" (T202 and T203 track)
The lower level will have 2 "island" platforms with 4 tracks (301-304), and that will trail west into 2 "Tail Tracks" (T302 and T303 track).
The way it looks, the tail tracks will be stub ended tracks that can fit one train west of the station (providing 4 yard tracks). Although, it isn't exactly clear from what I can see, how long these tracks are.
East of GCT, will be Plaza Interlocking. From there, trains can be routed east through 3 tunnels or a lead track to midday yard (next to sunnyside yard).
Similar to the East River tunnels, there will be automatic signals in the tunnels, with a bunch of signals left of the track in the interlockings and the automatics in the tunnels.
Pensyfan19 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:04 pm I would think the SW1001s would still be allowed in the Grand Central Tunnels on an emergency basis in case if an electric set broke down or crashed, or if maintenance work was needed on the branch. This relatively rare operation would essentially be the same as the SW1001s on the Atlantic Branch, soI think the LIRR has went as far as looking to retrofit some of smaller diesel equipment to fit in the new ESA tunnels. I was wondering if that's why they commandeered some of the SW1001's a few years back from New York and Atlantic Railway.
wouldn't they be allowed on the "Grand Central Branch" for limited use such as those?
njtmnrrbuff wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 am You can only imagine how crowded those LIRR trains will not only get during the rush hour butOn that topic, ESA should be in service for Xmas 2022, assuming the target of late 2022 is met.
also on weekends too. Passengers wanting to make weekend trips into Midtown to see the
Rockefeller Center X-mas tree and many Broadway theaters are closer to GCT than they are to NYP.
Head-end View wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:06 pm Gamer4616, again with regard to those left-hand signals in the GCT tunnels, do you know what type of signaling will be used? RAS vs. either traditional color-light or yellow position-light?Don't have the full info, but AFAIK it's *not* position light, *not* RAS. They are three aspect signals.