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chrisf wrote:1066 was apparently rebuilt in 2012.Awaiting major engine repairs at BET (1 locomotive) : 1066
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chrisf wrote:1066 was apparently rebuilt in 2012.Awaiting major engine repairs at BET (1 locomotive) : 1066
BandA wrote:$3M each. Remind me, how much did they pay for the HSP46? Or a new locomotive today?Tier III vs Tier IV. The HSPs were the last new-builds before a significant ramp up of heavy off-highway diesel emissions led to far more stringent standards and some far more expensive (and possibly more temperamental) prime mover designs to meet them. If the T were to buy new, today, their only Tier IV-compliant options would be either the Siemens Charger, the EMD F125, or maybe the MP54AC, all of which would like come in at well over that $6 million per loco number. And that's before you have to deal with the more maintenance-intensive high speed prime movers that they all have, or the complicated emissions systems like particulate filters, common rail fuel systems, or urea injection and all the headaches and costs that come with them. As it is, the T can barely keep the HSP's 90s-era medium speed 4-stroke engines running, engines that have logged billions of miles in freight service, do you really want to see what they'd do to a 1500rpm 20-cylinder Cummins or Cat with 2010s era emissions and fuel system designs?
Edit: Original price for HSP-46s was $5.5M/ea for 27, ended up being $6M/ea for 40 (excellent volume discount with the options, eh?) So $6M for new in 2013, $3M to refurbish an 30 year old loco....
Bramdeisroberts wrote: It's the same reason why Metra is spending so much money on refurbished F59s. Grandfathered emissions-exempt passenger power is only going to get more valuable from here on out, and there's a non-zero chance that the Geeps or even some of the remaining MBTA or Amtrak screamers could end up getting rebuilt for someone looking for more 645/710 motive power for their passenger ops.Metra is getting rebuilt SD70MACH engines that are upgraded to Tier 3 compliance. Your theory about emissions exemption being the reason that Metra bought the F59s doesn't really hold water.
chrisf wrote:Metra is getting rebuilt SD70MACH engines that are upgraded to Tier 3 compliance. Your theory about emissions exemption being the reason that Metra bought the F59s doesn't really hold water.There's a world of difference between a Tier III engine and a Tier IV engine, in terms of what's required to hit those emissions targets, which is why a basic medium speed prime mover like the GEVO or the 710 had no problem hitting the tier III standards with only some very minor tweaking. Metra's SD70MAC purchase more or less further proves my point.