by rethcir
I suppose from South Station, one could get out and quickly get a Commuter Rail shuttle up to North Station, and this would take some pressure off the green/orange lines.
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Rockingham Racer wrote:Could you tell us what the Amtrak specs require?Basically just 1,000ft platforms instead of 800ft.
Bramdeisroberts wrote:especially since there would be no direct connection between the Green Line and Amtrak services.I'm guessing Back Bay would basically be blown up or have a second level. I'd hope they'd finally link up Back Bay and Copley into one super-station, as it should be.
BostonUrbEx wrote:Probably because the location of NS Under being offset from NS Upper already puts the southerly extent of the platforms in spitting distance of Haymarket. Main egresses to the surface end up much closer to the Green/Orange superstation on the Causeway-Valenti block than the block the Garden and current NS waiting room sits on. It's easier to picture with some of the panoramic and depth renders circulated of where the station would actually reside relative to the street grid rather than trying to guesstimate on Google Maps from existing headhouses. How easily you could bore a set of escalators to the Haymarket side through all the vertical obstructions is nitty-gritty detail they won't know for sure until it's time to do some engineering deep-diving on a Final EIS, but the location of the NS Under platform tips is already pretty well-established and already gets you physically closer to Haymarket than you might think. The reality is that the Central and NS Under/Green/Orange headhouses are already going to be an insignificant 9 blocks from each other, and possibly as little as 6 blocks if an escalator bore to Haymarket from the other end of the platforms proves unimpeded.Rockingham Racer wrote:Could you tell us what the Amtrak specs require?I still don't understand why a station between Aquarium and Haymarket isn't being weighed more seriously. It is a superior location over North Station, and eliminates the Central Station mess.
Rockingham Racer wrote:Could you tell us what the Amtrak specs require? Since Amtrak equipment already frequents North Station, what additional elements would be required by Amtrak?For some reason my reply didn't go through, but F-Line beat me to it: Platform lengths for NEC regional consists. The Downeaster is a nonissue for now because it only runs 5-6 car consists at most, but Amtrak service to North Station will be a must for, as F-Line said, the only the NSRL makes sense for Amtrak if they can through-run to Anderson and a new maintenance yard there
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote:Some of the noisier advocates behind this group have a real jones about getting rid of SS Surface altogether like it's Reading Terminal or something.Yet if they were really going to get rid of NS Surface, it would become much easier of a pill to swallow. Provided they don't skimp out and make it a 4 track tunnel.
F-line to Dudley via Park wrote: [Borg cube of text about where Amtrak should terminate]I don't have time to listen to the actual presentation, but did anyone actually SAY they wanted to terminate Amtrak trains at SS Under? Just because that's the only NSRL station they want to build to Amtrak specs in no way implies that they expect trains to terminate there and chew up capacity changing ends. I would assume they would stop there and then continue north, with the next stop at Anderson.
MBTA3247 wrote:I don't have time to listen to the actual presentation, but did anyone actually SAY they wanted to terminate Amtrak trains at SS Under?I didn't have the time either, but if it was part of the discussion about Ari & company and TransitMatters, then they do believe Amtrak should continue to Anderson.
MBTA3247 wrote:[snickering intensifies]F-line to Dudley via Park wrote: [Borg cube of text about where Amtrak should terminate]
BostonUrbEx wrote:South Station would more accurately provide the two-seat ride to airport (Silver Line connection). Via Blue Line, realistically, requires most people take a shuttle bus.As I and anyone else who travels for business with any frequency will tell you, the Silver Line is an absolute joke if you have any hope of making it to your terminal in a timely fashion. There's a reason why the $10 Massport Back Bay bus always sells out.
BostonUrbEx wrote:South Station would more accurately provide the two-seat ride to airport (Silver Line connection). Via Blue Line, realistically, requires most people take a shuttle bus.Chelsea will also provide the same, once the Silver Line opens there this spring. It might even be faster from the south of Boston to the airport via NSRL and Chelsea in the distant future because traffic in the Ted Williams will probably only get worse. Transferring from rail to Silver Line at Chelsea would then have you on the dedicated busway to the airport.