• Identifying "Track 2"

  • Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.
Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.

Moderator: Otto Vondrak

  by CP169
 
I know track 2 was/is the most southerly track on the NYC main line from Buffalo to Albany. Is this also true of Pa., Ohio, Indiana, Chicago and the Hudson Division?

  by DutchRailnut
 
it is in 2 track territory
in 4 track territory the south track is #4
  by lbagg91833
 
Interestingly, from GCT-ALBANY the mains were as indicated in the previous post. However statring @ WestAlbany the numbering switched to #2 on the SOUTH, or West, then #1,#3 #4. At BayView, the numbering went back to [from the south] #4,#2, #1, #3. Thats the way they were numbered in the '30s, and not til the TCS projects started were the numbering standardized....LARRY BAGGERLY

  by Noel Weaver
 
DutchRailnut wrote:it is in 2 track territory
in 4 track territory the south track is #4
Not on the Mohawk and S.R. & B., the tracks were separated and there
were two passenger tracks number 2 (south) and 1 (south)next followed by the freight tracks on the north side of the right of way numbered 3 (south( and 4 (north). I might add that in the New York Central four track
days, these tracks were all just ABS territory with current of traffic rules
still in effect. After Perlman took up tracks three and four over most of
this territory, tracks one and two had TCS (CTC) installed and at the time,
I think this was the largest CTC on multiple track mainline territory ever
done.
Noel Weaver
  by ChiefTroll
 
This is a perennial topic, but here it comes again. East of Rensselaer and west of Buffalo, the four track segments were operated right-handed, with 1 and 2 in the middle and 3 and 4 on the outside. They were numbered from the south 4-2-1-3. Tracks 1 and 2 were the "high speed" passenger tracks, and 3 and 4 were freight and local passenger tracks. In the NYC system of track numbering, sidings and yard tracks in those territories were numbered consecutively away from the mains, with 6-8-10-> on the south, and 5-7-9-> on the north.

Between Rensselaer and Buffalo, the two passenger main tracks were 2-1 on the south side, and the freight main tracks were 3-4 on the north, numbered south to north 2-1-3-4. The reason for this was to keep the freight yards on the north side, and the passenger stations on the south side; and to avoid as much as possible the meeting of freight and passenger trains running in opposite directions, in case of a derailment or an over-wide load. The freight tracks were operated left-handed and the passenger tracks were right-handed, so the two middle tracks 1-3 were westward, and the two outside tracks 2-4 were eastward.

Dewitt was a left-hand yard, with the eastbound hump on the north side. Selkirk was a right-hand yard, with the eastbound hump on the south side. The passenger bridge (Maiden Lane) at Albany had passenger tracks 2 and 1, right handed, and the freight bridge (Livingston Ave) had freight tracks 3 and 4, left-handed.

When Selkirk Yard was built, along with the Hudson River Connecting Railroad, the freight operations east of Selkirk were essentially double track railroads with right-hand operation (River, Hudson and B&A). They needed a way to swap "handedness" with a minimum of traffic conflict, so they built the flyover bridge at Fullers Crossing where the West Shore crosses US Route 20, Western Turnpike. Thus the West Shore (now Selkirk Branch) trains could leave Dewitt running left handed, then become right handed at Fullers and enter the proper side of Selkirk.
  by eddiebear
 
Question?

Were any of the West Shore mains in Rochester-Buffalo area ever known as Tracks 5 & 6?
  by Noel Weaver
 
eddiebear wrote:Question?

Were any of the West Shore mains in Rochester-Buffalo area ever known as Tracks 5 & 6?
In the double track days, the West Shore in the Mohawk Valley had track
5 westbound and track 6 eastbound. The two tracks were operated under
ABS rules and the signals were mostly semaphores.
The line was reasonably well maintained but due to curves and many
grade crossings, it was not high speed territory.
I think tracks 5 and 6 extended all the way to Buffalo at one time.
Noel Weaver
  by lbagg91833
 
NOEL is correct re the WEST SHORE main tracks #5 & #6 ending in BFLO. They ended at the BUFFALO BELT BR. just above BCT. LARRY BAGGERLY