• Buffalo & Pittsburgh Railroad (BPRR) Discussion

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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New York State.

Moderator: Otto Vondrak

  by thebigham
Last September, I took pics of a late BFSI at Lime Lake:

BFSI waiting for a crew change at Lime Lake: 6416, 3341, 3063, 301 and approx. 72 cars.

http://photos.greatrails.net/show/?orde ... y=98&key2=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

6416: http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=233128" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3341: http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=233129" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=233130" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3063: http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=233131" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
301: http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=233132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

#626 and #926 headed to Arcade Jct. with 10 cars at Chaffee on Aug. 30, 2016:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=232901" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=232902" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SIRI parked at Salamanca on July 17:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=232900" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An early SIBF with 3063, 3330, 457, 3323 and approx. 72 cars on July 4 at Arcade Jct:

3063, 3330, 457, 3323 and approx. 72 cars.

BF-1 with 3 locos (1506, 626, 887) at Arcade Jct. on May 4:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=230173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=230174" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And on April 13:

The B&P Buffalo based local BF-1 has its work cut out for them at Arcade Junction. Just a small passing siding and over 25 cars to shuffle around. #1509 doesn't make it down to Arcade very much. #887 is a frequent visitor.

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=229833" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=229832" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
  by BR&P
lvrr325 wrote:Any idea what that equipment on the rear of the 301 is?
I don't know for sure, could be a stand-by heater for when the unit is shut down in cold weather. Those things have changed over the years and I no longer know what a modern one looks like.
  by nydepot

"They were ordered originally from GMD Canada with the larger fuel tanks in order to be able to make a complete round trip from Sept-Îles to Schefferville and return without refuelling in ore service. The two main reservoirs were moved up inside the carbody behind the compressor. The rear door on the right side with the louvers allows the automatic purge valves to vent the moisture from the compressed air and access to the related equipment including the main reservoir safety valve.

The 5 original SD40s (200-204) had the usually seen main reservoir arrangement used by almost every other road and were not equipped with automatic purging valves equipped with heating elements when built. The main reservoir air would freeze below -40F. The current auto purge valves with heating elements to allow moisture to be purged from the air supply without freezing were originally developed and tested in-house and their use became universal. These features were retained on the rebuilds and an air dryer was added to the compressed air supply as well. The piping seen up top is the normal compressor aftercooling piping loop to main reservoir number 1 moved to the ouside of the carbody as the space it would normally occupy beneath the frame is taken up by the enlarged fuel tank and it makes eminent good sense to move it there given the interior location of the two main reservoirs."
  by BR&P
Thanks Charles. That's a new one on me - I'd love to check that out in person.

I wonder if long-time operation of the spitters in very cold temps causes an accumulation of ice on the running board below them.
  by JPoland
Need Symbols for Allegheny Branch,Salamanca, Butler, New Castle
  by RMB357
BPRR Train Symbols
Buffalo & Pittsburgh Trains
Symbol Based In Frequency Notes Start Time
BT-1 Butler Mon-Fri AM Butler Yard Job 08:00am
BT-2 Butler Thur-Mon PM Butler Yard Job 16:00
BT-3 Butler Mon-Fri Petrolia Local 09:00am
PW-1 Butler Tri-Weekly P&W Local
AK-1 Butler Extra AK Steel Local 23:59
NCRI New Castle As Needed Coal Mtys From CSX
RINC Riker As Needed Coal Loads To CSX
BTNC Butler Mon-Sat CSX Interchange 02:00am
BTRI Butler Daily Butler Riker yard Night
RIBT Riker Daily Riker To Butler 2000
PSFR-1 Kittanning Daily Shawmut Sub Local/Coal Varies
RISI Riker Daily 0900
SIRI Salamanca Daily 0900
PSDB-1 Riker/Du Bois As needed Laurel Sub Local/Coal Morning
PSDB-2 Riker/Du Bois As needed Laurel Sub Local/Coal Afternoon
LR-1 Riker As needed Long Run Coal Morning
HC-1 Riker As needed Homer City Coal Varies
HC-2 Riker As needed Homer City Coal Varies
DB-1 Du Bois AM Du Bois Yard Job 0700
DB-2 Du Bois PM Du Bois Yard Job/Local 1600
JB-1 Johnsonburg AM Johnsonburg Yard Job 0600
JB-2 Johnsonburg PM Johnsonburg Yard Job/Local
YAWA Warren Mon-Fri Warren Yard Job/Local Morning
WAJO Warren Daily Johnsonburg Turn 2000
WAER Warren Tue/Fri Erie Turn 0800
BR-1 Bradford Bradford Yard Job/Local Morning
BR-1 Bradford Bradford Yard Job/Local Evening
BF-1 Buffalo Orchard Park Turn
BF-51 Buffalo Night Buffalo Yard Job 2215
  by thebigham
Coke trains are on the B&P again

My "grab shot" at the East Schutt Road crossing in Chaffee, NY
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  by BR&P
RMB357 wrote:BPRR Train Symbols
Buffalo & Pittsburgh Trains
I give you points for responding. To me it seemed more like a demand than a request. And of course only crickets chirping now that you took the time.

Guess his momma skipped teaching "please" and "thank you". Image
  by thebigham
I think that symbols list is a little old.

It doesn't have:

BFSI/SIBF. Salamanca M-F

BF-1 does not go to Orchard Park anymore. More like "Arcade turn."
  by RMB357
It's about three years old but that's all I had saved. I see I included the orchard Park job by accident. I didn't have the coke train symbols either
  by BR&P
Actually I saw something maybe 3 or 4 months ago, where all their symbols got changed around. I did not save it but maybe somebody else on here has it.

I'm amused, amazed, intrigued, whatever term you care to use, at the train symbols in use on some railroads these days. Different designations for type of traffic, date, priority, origin and destination, and color of the engineer's hat. Instead of FD-4, QD-97, or DRS-7, it's alphabet soup. I was emailing a retired rail and he told of working a BN train designated EOLWWUM306. Makes me think of the old song that went "ooh-eee, ooh ah-ah, ting tang, walla-walla-bing-bang". Some of today's symbols are getting pretty close to that! Image
  by Matt Langworthy
B&P BF-1 works primarily in the greater Buffalo area, including Buffalo Creek Yard. I've also noticed a 2nd local working in the yard at the same time*, but don't have a symbol for it. Does anyone else know that symbol? Thanks in advance.

*-late morning/afternoon
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