Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

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Herring
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Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by Herring » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:14 am

I have been hearing about the Port Jefferson electrification for close to 40 years.

In this MTA LIRR video dated 2/6/19, 56 seconds into video, if we are to believe the MTA LIRR they are moving forward "to begin Central Branch and Port Jefferson Electrification" planning and scope are underway".

MTA LIRR Customer Conversations Hicksville 02/06/19

I thought these projects were taken out of the capital program last year? Does anyone have more info?

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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by MattAmity90 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:05 pm

No, last year they announced that the Central Branch was going to be electrified, but I'm shocked that Port Jefferson electrification is on the table. Phillip Eng is bringing new life into the LIRR, and he wants to get the job done unlike previous presidents. When it was electrified to Huntington, they converted Port Jefferson through Greenlawn to high-level platforms in anticipation. Instead they double-tracked from AMOTT to just West of Huntington, and electrified the Ronkonkoma Branch for the customers in the Central Corridor of Suffolk County. Before 1987, electrified service in Suffolk County was limited to only 6 stations. Huntington and Cold Spring Harbor on the PJ Branch along with Babylon, Lindenhurst, Copiague, and Amityville on the Babylon Branch. The electrification of the Ronkonkoma Branch brought electrified service to Ronkonkoma, Central Islip, Brentwood, Deer Park, Wyandanch, and the Pinelawn cemetery in Suffolk, along with Farmingdale and Bethpage in Nassau.

If they do the long overdue electrification to Port Jefferson, it will be done in phases, and it won't be the only construction for the project.

-First phase will probably go to Northport.
-Second phase will have it go to Smithtown.
-Third and final phase will go to Port Jefferson.

Other construction:

-Double-tracking in certain areas (Northport has plenty of space to the South of the ROW for a second track).
-Track and tie replacement work.
-Grade crossing renewal.
-Rehabilitation of platforms such as Platform B at Greenlawn, along with construction of additional platforms at Northport, St. James, and Port Jefferson. Some tracks would be ripped out at Port Jefferson to make room,
-Route 112/Main Street crossing being converted to a fully-four quadrant gated crossing (like Little Neck Parkway).
-Port Jefferson yard converted to electric with a few more tracks laid.
-Would be interesting to what they would do with the linear/siding track in between Huntington and the Park Avenue grade crossing.
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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by freightguy » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:16 pm

MattAmity90 posted:

Phillip Eng is bringing new life into the LIRR, and he wants to get the job done unlike previous presidents.

That’s a pretty bold statement. There were a lot great operating men before him that had a lot less to work with. Not to take anything away from Phillip Eng, but LIRR has had some decent presidents over the years. Probably the toughest operating climate to work around in terms of politics and Long Island demographics. It always seems to flip flop they’ll probably go back to someone with operating experience the next time vs like a political/ office appointee.
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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by berlintransit » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:00 pm

Herring wrote:I have been hearing about the Port Jefferson electrification for close to 40 years.

In this MTA LIRR video dated 2/6/19, 56 seconds into video, if we are to believe the MTA LIRR they are moving forward "to begin Central Branch and Port Jefferson Electrification" planning and scope are underway".

MTA LIRR Customer Conversations Hicksville 02/06/19

I thought these projects were taken out of the capital program last year? Does anyone have more info?
I would not expect a full electrification of the Port Jefferson branch to happen soon. Rather, with the new mid-branch electric yard most probably materialising in between Northport and Kings Park, electrification will be extended there - I guess the remaining section will not receive a third rail so soon.

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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by BuddR32 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:56 am

freightguy wrote:MattAmity90 posted:

Phillip Eng is bringing new life into the LIRR, and he wants to get the job done unlike previous presidents.

That’s a pretty bold statement. There were a lot great operating men before him that had a lot less to work with. Not to take anything away from Phillip Eng, but LIRR has had some decent presidents over the years. Probably the toughest operating climate to work around in terms of politics and Long Island demographics. It always seems to flip flop they’ll probably go back to someone with operating experience the next time vs like a political/ office appointee.
Absolutely, next President will be an operations guy, to cure the operational woes. After a few years of that we'll have another customer service / politician to be a face, then back to a railroader again.

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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by milepost39 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:52 am

Double-tracking in certain areas (Northport has plenty of space to the South of the ROW for a second track).

Years ago Northport had a second track from well east through the station, until it was removed and cut back to the present siding start just east of Larkfield Road for the "meet at Northport". I'm thinking it was removed in the 60s along with all the sidings and freight depots, as the parking lots were expanded?

The house I grew up in, in the 70's was on a cul-de-sac behind milepost 39, just east of the Elwood Rd crossing. I distinctly remember my parents and neighbors talking about a planned electrification around that time. The talk was that the line would be double tracked, the Elwood crossing eliminated, which in turn would result in our house and three others right along the line demolished via eminent domain. The talk was what would they offer for the house and whether they should fight it? Nothing further ever came of it.
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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by alchemist » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:22 pm

Jusr east of the building on the right was Alexander Karp Hardware, on the west side of Larkfield Road. They still carried several grades of coal in the 1950s. The railroad would spot a hopper car on the siding and Karp would shove a belt loader under it and transfer the coal into the appropriate bin in their yard.
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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:35 pm

The Pt. Jefferson Branch might do well if it were ever converted to third rail. I believe that there are a lot of grades, which might make the line very good for MUs, not that the C3 bilevel sets can't handle the route.

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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by Teutobergerwald » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:59 pm

Karp's is still there, an excellent example of the local hardware store that still exists in areas where Home Depot or Lowe's are far away. Always has customers in the store, and I recognized the building immediately in the picture.
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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by NIMBYkiller » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:22 pm

Just out of curiosity, does the state still own the grounds of KP Psych? Could that property be used for a mid branch yard? KP Fire Department would probably need to be relocated so that's probably not wort the hassle unless other locations present a more significant backlash from the community.

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Re: Port Jefferson and Central Branch Electrification

Post by Publius Plunkett » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:54 pm

My goodness, how far that Branch has come. I remember when Port Jefferson and Stony Brook were part time block stations and even remember forgetting to cut-out the ASC heading east leaving Post. You had 12 car trains with one GP38 and to keep the schedule, you left the throttle wide open to charge the hills and stations or else the train would simply die. Now, it's a kindler and gentler branch. And maybe soon, will have M7's and 9's operating on it. Port Jefferson was a challenging branch to operate on when the old equipment was still on the property. Things have really changed.

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