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Metro-North New Haven Line Penn Station Access
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by Thomas
Is this service likely to begin in the MTA's 2015--2019 capital plan?
by Tommy Meehan
This service is planned to be started after the LIRR's East Side Access goes into operation. Providing that LIRR ridership at NYP drops the 40% the MTA is forecasting. Or something close to it.
by Thomas
Tommy Meehan wrote:This service is planned to be started after the LIRR's East Side Access goes into operation. Providing that LIRR ridership at NYP drops the 40% the MTA is forecasting. Or something close to it.Thus, then would this mean that the new Bronx Stations would not get built until after 2019?
Thus, currently, LIRR operates 36 trains out of Penn Station during the Peak Hour. This means that this should get reduced to perhaps 20 or so trains (depending on ridership projections).
How would which type of Block 780 Station for the Gateway Project gets built impact if Metro North Hudson Line Service can operate into Penn Station?
by lirr42
Thomas wrote:Is this service likely to begin in the MTA's 2015--2019 capital plan?I'd wager you're not going to see anything seriously related to Penn Station Access until the 2025-2029 capital program.
by Adirondacker
Thomas wrote:Seeing that it's already 2014 the chance of anything being built and ready for service in 2019 are very low. They could, in theory, build something now and not use it until the LIRR has had some time to adjust service and then use the freed up slots. Just like there not being an LIRR train in the existing Penn Station frees up a slot for a Metro North New Haven line train to use there not being a NJTransit train or Amtrak train in the existing Penn Station frees up a slot for a Metro North Hudson Line train.Tommy Meehan wrote:This service is planned to be started after the LIRR's East Side Access goes into operation. Providing that LIRR ridership at NYP drops the 40% the MTA is forecasting. Or something close to it.Thus, then would this mean that the new Bronx Stations would not get built until after 2019?
Thus, currently, LIRR operates 36 trains out of Penn Station during the Peak Hour. This means that this should get reduced to perhaps 20 or so trains (depending on ridership projections).
How would which type of Block 780 Station for the Gateway Project gets built impact if Metro North Hudson Line Service can operate into Penn Station?
by johndmuller
The stations in the East Bronx (or on the Upper West Side) are not really necessary for there to be MN customers wishing to go to Penn Station. There are plenty of people in Connecticut and Westchester on the NH line and in Westchester and north along the Hudson to provide potential passengers. The new NYC stations are a political nod to the Bronx and Manhattan, and sound nice in proposals, but IMhO, the existing MN stations would probably be providing the bulk of the customers anyway. The idea that these new services to NYP must wait to start for these new stations to be built is not really true.
As you may know, those MN customers are just as ready to realize the fruits of their investments in ESA as their counterparts on Long Island. The notion of begrudging a couple of tracks and a platform in Penn for umpteen billion $ and 8 tracks in GCT is so petty as to (oughtta) be beneath even the most craven of cheap shot politicians, let alone erstwhile rational and collegial blog posters.
MN its not without its own bargaining chips with Amtrak. Those same Hudson and New Haven lines also serve Amtrak and have slots in which Amtrak has interests - some room for horse trading there. CDOT is another potential party of interest, also not without their own quid pro quo's w/r Amtrak.
As you may know, those MN customers are just as ready to realize the fruits of their investments in ESA as their counterparts on Long Island. The notion of begrudging a couple of tracks and a platform in Penn for umpteen billion $ and 8 tracks in GCT is so petty as to (oughtta) be beneath even the most craven of cheap shot politicians, let alone erstwhile rational and collegial blog posters.
MN its not without its own bargaining chips with Amtrak. Those same Hudson and New Haven lines also serve Amtrak and have slots in which Amtrak has interests - some room for horse trading there. CDOT is another potential party of interest, also not without their own quid pro quo's w/r Amtrak.
by DutchRailnut
actually Amtrak is guaranteed slots on Hudson and New Haven as part of core network for Amtrak, and basically they get it for free, just to keep the free Amtrak service upstate both in NY and CT.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???
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by philipmartin
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/transit ... /10498721/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by DutchRailnut
and this bit of trivia had to get its own tread ?
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???
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by Otto Vondrak
philipmartin wrote:http://www.lohud.com/story/news/transit ... /10498721/You're supposed to explain to us what the article is about, especially once these articles disappear behind a paywall. It's a courtesy.
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by BigUglyCat
As the city advertises for developers to vie for control of great swaths of the downtown, (New Rochelle Mayor Noam) Bramson said the city's Metro-North station offers more than the others. If the railroad goes through with its plans to send some trains to Penn Station, New Rochelle would be the closest stop to Manhattan where a passenger could choose that destination or Grand Central Terminal.
"This will be the most attractive commuting or reverse commuting location in the New York City metropolitan area," Bramson boasted.
by Terminal Proceed
The article basically was saying that with Penn Sta access that it could make New Rochelle a rail "hub" and so on. I agree - it should be on the Penn Sta thread.
by Thomas
If Hudson Service were to go into Penn Station, would the Empire Line get electrified, or will only MN Dual-Mode Locomotives get used?
Also, if New Haven Line Service ends up going into Penn Station, will this take away current service from Grand Central Service, or will additional Metro North New Haven Line trains be added?
Also, if New Haven Line Service ends up going into Penn Station, will this take away current service from Grand Central Service, or will additional Metro North New Haven Line trains be added?