LIRR Form 19 History

http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/ ... form19.htm
The Long Island Rail Road has finally reached the end of an era. . . an era where train movements were ordered by lightweight, onion-skin-style paper train orders nicknamed "flimsies" which were issued to the conductor and engineer of a train.

General Notice GN 4-16 which effectively ends the long use of the Form 19 train order on the Long Island Rail Road. September 4, 2012

Research/photos thanks to Dave Keller

The last one was issued tonight to train 8743 to proceed at restricted speed over Ocean Avenue in Patchogue.

emfinite wrote:The last one was issued tonight to train 8743 to proceed at restricted speed over Ocean Avenue in Patchogue.

Nice. Have a picture of this as a super wrap up on this history?
Steve

Which train order number was it?

I figured the last train to get a train order hooped up would have been 8710 for the meet with 8703. Did anyone happen to get a picture or get that one on tape?

When did the LIRR start using the form 19 train order?

I checked some of my rule books:
LIRR April 1, 1910 has form 19s. it also has form A
LIRR, NY&RB, PP&CI June 1, 1897 has form A but I didn't find any Form 19s
PRR October 1, 1889 has Form 19 & form A
One other think was interesting isthe illustrations for the Hand, Flag & Lamp signals - the man shown has a handlebar mustache and pillbox hat.
The current illusrtations are of men and woman, neither with a mustache.
Ray

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x141 ... G_7048.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x141 ... G_7045.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x141 ... G_7046.jpg

end of an era, kind of sad in a way.
nyandw thanks for posting the new forms..only way im gonna get to see them 900 miles away.

wonder if they will still give them out as a tradition?
Also heard they dont give the watch anymore

Cross a form 19 with a track warrant= form L

I bet that condr on 8743 was foaming like a mad dog.. Congrats to that person and his engineer!!!!

Doc Emmet Brown wrote:Also heard they dont give the watch anymore

I wonder if this has anything to do with Greg Mocker's report a while back that called out the MTA for ordering watches to give to retirees. I think it was up to that point that I respected him. He seemed to be on our side, and was reporting on the company's waste. I don't think a watch for a retiree is a bad expense. It's gotta be nice to have something to look back on to remind you of the job that you spent most of your life doing.

SlackControl wrote:

Doc Emmet Brown wrote:Also heard they dont give the watch anymore

I wonder if this has anything to do with Greg Mocker's report a while back that called out the MTA for ordering watches to give to retirees. I think it was up to that point that I respected him. He seemed to be on our side, and was reporting on the company's waste. I don't think a watch for a retiree is a bad expense. It's gotta be nice to have something to look back on to remind you of the job that you spent most of your life doing.

I got one when I retired from Metro-North after 36 years of service. It was a pocket watch that sits on a shelf in a presentation case but is a nice reminder of my days on the railroad. Also sad to see train orders go but time marches on.

Yes its a nice reminder. Funny thing is, when I retired I stopped wearing a watch. After years of having to live by the clock, i stopped wearing one.
I have clocks at home and one in the car, thats enough.
Of course the cell phone tells the time too. Have not worn a watch in 6 years.
Now that i found out the RR does not give a watch anymore, took mine to the jewlers today for a cleaning, and a new battery, since its a bit more of a collectors item now.

Doc: Nice comments from an ex-LIRR employee (as always, BTW). More to come on the Form 19 issue as I get it soon. Do you have larger scans of the watch? Would like to see them as a never seen one (as a civilian!)
Thank you.

Doc, if you're not going to use the watch you should take out the battery.