• Will They Ever Return?

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This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Dcell wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:19 pm Demolition of the decrepit Hotel Penn is progressing rapidly,
Mr. Dcell, So the Hotel Pennsylvania, Statler, Statler Hilton, ?,?, Pennsylvania has been chopped down!!!

OMG, where will our four legged K-9 friends now stay when competing at Westminster (dog show held at MSG)?
  by STrRedWolf
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:42 am
Dcell wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:19 pm Demolition of the decrepit Hotel Penn is progressing rapidly,
Mr. Dcell, So the Hotel Pennsylvania, Statler, Statler Hilton, ?,?, Pennsylvania has been chopped down!!!

OMG, where will our four legged K-9 friends now stay when competing at Westminster (dog show held at MSG)?
They moved to the National Tennis Center in Queens and have all the hotels around the area. In 2022 they were at the historical Lyndhurst Estate.
https://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/m ... rical-data

I wouldn't worry about the dogs now (although funny enough, I agree with Milkbone's "Less Christmas, More Dog" commercial).

Still, sad to see the Hotel Pennsylvania go. Granted, I would love a Pullman style hotel be set up around the area (see The Jane).
  by Dcell
 
NJ Transit used to annually rent 3 rooms there for midday use for its crews during layovers between morning and evening rush hour. I don't know what facility is used now for crew layovers.
  by STrRedWolf
 
Dcell wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:33 pm NJ Transit used to annually rent 3 rooms there for midday use for its crews during layovers between morning and evening rush hour. I don't know what facility is used now for crew layovers.
I'm reminded of MARC service, where CSX (when they were running the trains w/conductors) would have a few rooms at a nearby hotel to DC Union Station for their crew, especially for the Brunswick line MARC service. I don't know if Bombardier is doing the same, and if Amtrak is doing it for their Penn line crews.

I'd think they'll have a few rooms at the nearby Marriott now.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
This Journal article is indeed ominous for a mass transit pre-COVID return:

Fair Use:
New York’s subway system has regained about two-thirds of its pre-pandemic ridership with about 91 million trips in November, according to the MTA. But that is about 50 million fewer rides than in November 2019. Officials worry usage has stalled out at that level.

In San Francisco, the Bay Area Rapid Transit, or BART, recorded 3.7 million trips in November—a little more than one-third of the ridership before Covid.

Systems in Chicago, Philadelphia and Boston also remain short of their pre-pandemic user numbers, deepening financial strains. In cities such as Dallas and Cincinnati, where public-transit budgets are mostly funded through sales tax revenue and more people commute by car, user declines haven’t hit as hard.

In the U.S. overall, about 883,000 fewer people took public transit in the third quarter of 2022 compared with the same period in 2019, according to federal data gathered by the American Public Transportation Association.

The decline is particularly acute among so-called “choice riders”, people who have access to a vehicle but choose to take mass transit...... This group includes office workers who tend to favor commuter rail over public buses
Another ominous point to note from the article; the more ridership goes down, the more crime goes up.

For myself, I will still use METRA to go to the Loop, and walk to wherever, but personal safety concerns have likely resulted in my final CTA ride - and with that went my $8.50 Senior RT "poor man's way to O'Hare" (two hours each way).
  by Defiant
 
On the days that I go to the office, that are usually Tuesday or Thursday, NJ Transit BC line trains during rush hour are probably running at about 75% of the 2019 levels. I understand that this presents a problem from the transit revenue point of view. But from passenger experience point of view, the situation is very pleasant. 7:45 am on my stop now always has seats. Before Covid, getting a sit on that train, especially in a quite car, would've been difficult. I tried to avoid this train before.

PATH is pretty packed but I would say that it is also at about 75%-80% of 2019 levels. All of these are of course non scientific, personal estimates. But most people have returned to the NJT/PATH systems though not exactly at the same crazy volume as before. Which is good for a passenger but probably not good for transit system revenue...
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