Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:04 pm

Yes, I recall the previous discussion. The only reason I'm optimistic now is because of the exceptionally high levels of ridership. I feel that the service is in new territory right now and as it continues to grow that may make express service realistic again.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by David Benton » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:49 pm

Express (or limited stop) service to Harrisburg ?
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:58 pm

I don't think so. Not enough travel demand.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by east point » Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:32 pm

There may betravel demand for a NYP = PHL- BAL - WASH express route during rush periods/ The MARC segment of that route is subject to delays dues to the parts of 2 and 3 main tracks. Amtrak delayed 2 MARC trains this afternoon so the MARC trains had to wait for Amtrak. 1 - 10 minutes & 1 = 15 minutes.

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by Greg Moore » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:41 pm

Backshophoss wrote:Good luck getting the FRA to approve a mixed setup of overhead wire with 3rd rail on the MN Hudson Line to Harmon.
They are not happy with the mix of catenary and 3rd rail in NY Penn now!
I think if this were to happen (elect me dictator :-) the goal would be to replace the 3rd rail with catenary.
For the longer distances, not much point to 3rd rail...
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by Train2009 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:11 pm

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by ExCon90 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:39 pm

gokeefe wrote:Yes, I recall the previous discussion. The only reason I'm optimistic now is because of the exceptionally high levels of ridership. I feel that the service is in new territory right now and as it continues to grow that may make express service realistic again.
I think what killed the previous express services was the lack of any intermediate stops (except Newark?). A few intermediate stops, if they resulted in improved transit time, should have no problem filling seats. (Also, during those halcyon days air travel was not the trial and frustration it has become; that might make a nonstop rail service more attractive now than it was then.)

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by east point » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:54 pm

Once schedule time between NYP and WASH is under 2"30 we suspect that will become one milestone increasing riders. Under 2:00 who knows ?

Interesting you tube. One minor fault. Much of the CAT depicted is the present PRR variable tension CAT. No way the units could go at the speeds depicted.

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by ExCon90 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:37 pm

At 1:33, would that be a Keystone headed for Harrisburg? A welcome improvement. :wink:

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:30 pm

ExCon90 wrote:I think what killed the previous express services was the lack of any intermediate stops (except Newark?). A few intermediate stops, if they resulted in improved transit time, should have no problem filling seats. (Also, during those halcyon days air travel was not the trial and frustration it has become; that might make a nonstop rail service more attractive now than it was then.)
I will think the changes in air travel are particularly relevant. This is why I think Acela Regional is a real concept that should be considered. Run the older trainsets on the local routes and this might help support running some trainsets as true "express" perhaps even "Acela Limited" or "Acela Direct".
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:38 pm

Here's the craziest idea of them all ... Take all the First Class cars from the old trainsets and create four trainsets running Acela Elite, limited stop all-first class service only. This kind of service would potentially even compete with corporate jet travel.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by mtuandrew » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:38 pm

gokeefe wrote:Here's the craziest idea of them all ... Take all the First Class cars from the old trainsets and create four trainsets running Acela Elite, limited stop all-first class service only. This kind of service would potentially even compete with corporate jet travel.
That... isn’t a bad idea, soaking senior executives and the like for their money - go get a literal red carpet for them too. While you’re playing mix-and-match, you could add a second bistro car for seven cars plus two power cars.

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:00 pm

Can't add length. Won't fit in the servicing facilities. I think just completely rebuild the cafe and change it to a lounge format with a wet bar. High tops in the middle, seats on the sides, top shelf behind the bar.

"High margin alcoholic beverages" as Mr. Norman would say.
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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by Matt Johnson » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:28 am

Anyone notice the speed display? Seems a little optimistic, must be a test run! :)

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Re: Acela Replacement and Disposition Discussion

Post by bretton88 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:53 am

Matt Johnson wrote:Anyone notice the speed display? Seems a little optimistic, must be a test run! :)

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/amtrak ... at-upgrade" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Haha, those speed on the NEC are wishful thinking, even though the train can go up to 186mph.

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