B&O National Limited

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B&O National Limited

Post by gokeefe » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:04 pm

I was reading through an unrelated article that mentioned the "National Road" terminating in Vandalia, IL and realized that perhaps this highway was the basis for the origin of the name for the B&O premier "name train" to St. Louis, the National Limited.

Is this correct?

It seems somewhat surprising that a railroad would name its premier train after a highway. Perhaps at the time this was the B&O's way to claim that it offered superseding service. Especially prior to the air age that appears to be a reasonable claim.
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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by JayBee » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:00 pm

Yes, No, and Maybe. The National Road Ran from Baltimore to Cumberland, MD then Pittsburgh, Wheeling, Zanesville, Columbus, and ended at Vandalia, IL though it was intended to reach St. Louis, but money ran out. The Baltimore and Ohio RR served all these places, but the B&O's National Limited only served Baltimore and Cumberland that were served by the National Road. So if the National Road had managed to reach St. Louis then B&O's National Limited would have connected the same end points. You decide.

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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by gokeefe » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:04 pm

I was wondering if there was perhaps some kind of "proof" or other historical knowledge about why the B&O used that particular name. Perhaps at the time it was simply "obvious".
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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by mmi16 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:05 pm

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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by gokeefe » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:28 pm

CSX has recently proposed selling its line between Cincinnati and East St. Louis. Is this the former route of the B&O National Limited?
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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by hutton_switch » Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:38 am

gokeefe wrote:CSX has recently proposed selling its line between Cincinnati and East St. Louis. Is this the former route of the B&O National Limited?
Yes, unfortunately.
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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by ExCon90 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:27 pm

gokeefe wrote:I was wondering if there was perhaps some kind of "proof" or other historical knowledge about why the B&O used that particular name. Perhaps at the time it was simply "obvious".
I thought it had to do with the fact that its overall routing corresponded in general with that of the original "National Road." Edward Hungerford's history of the B&O may mention it, but I don't have access to a copy right now.

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Re: B&O National Limited

Post by mmi16 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:15 pm

hutton_switch wrote:
gokeefe wrote:CSX has recently proposed selling its line between Cincinnati and East St. Louis. Is this the former route of the B&O National Limited?
Yes, unfortunately.
It was also the territory I hired out on in 1965 and worked from Cincinnati to HN Cabin at E. St. Louis as a Train Order Operator for two year before transferring to other B&O Divisions.
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