Capitol ltd. consist question

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Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by TCurtin » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:57 pm

How late did the Capitol Ltd. keep its dome car? All the way until Amtrak?

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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by ExCon90 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:20 pm

The June 1968 Official Guide shows
Chessie Tavern
Table d'Hote for A La Carte Service ... [the f looks like a typo -- and in the Official Guide!]
Iron Horse Tavern and Strata-Dome Lounge
Snacks and Beverages
Capitol Club
(Pullman Lounge and Beverage Service -- Magazine Library, Tobacco and Travel Supplies)

By December 1970 it shows only
Iron Horse Tavern
Table d'Hote or A La Carte Meal Service
The Capitol Club
Lounge and Magazine Library
Snack and beverage service.

The last pre-Amtrak isssue, April 1971, shows the same thing.

So it looks like the dome came off sometime after June 1968, but it's not clear from the Guide whether they used a different car and continued to call it the Iron Horse Tavern -- some equipment expert will have to answer that.

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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by TCurtin » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:11 pm

Thank you -- that's very interesting

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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by ExCon90 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:09 pm

I was just looking at Fred Frailey's Twilight of the Great Trains, and he reports that the dome coaches came off the Capitol in late 1968, operated briefly on the Cincinnatian, returned to the Capitol for the summer of 1969, then went to trains 7 and 8, the Shenandoah, between Washington and Akron, combined with No. 11, the Metropolitan, from Washington to Cumberland. In the 1968 Capitol, the Chessie Tavern was a 38-seat diner, the Iron Horse Tavern was the snack bar of the dome coach, and the Capitol Club was in the blunt-end sleeper-bar lounge-observation car. By December 1968 all 3 services were in a single car, of the lunch counter-diner-lounge-observations built for C&O in 1950 for the Chessie streeamliner, which never ran. The first 26 feet held the kitchen and pantry, the next 16 feet a take-out counter and wet bar (Iron Horse Tavern), the following 28 feet dining space for 32 (Chessie Tavern), and the final 15 or so feet abutting the observation windows, lounge space for 10 passengers (Capitol Club). Later (date not given), the Capitol's sleeper-bar lounge-observations (Dana, Metcalf, and Wawasee) were added because of a demand for bedrooms (that late). Leaving Washington in that period, the consist was 3 mail and baggage cars, 2 coaches, the sleeper-bar lounge (2 rooms used asa dorm for the diner crew), a full sleeper, and the diner-takeout counter-lounge observation.

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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by Tadman » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:57 pm

"Journey to Amtrak" by Harold Edmonson (Kalmbach 1972) has pictures on page 56/57 of the last eastbound B&O Capitol Limited before A-day. There are clearly two domes in the consist. It does not note whether this is a "last hurrah" special or if this was normal consist.

This 1970 shot doesn't show one.
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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by mmi16 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:04 pm

Joe Welsh's "Baltimore & Ohio's Capitol Limted and National Limited" gives a basic chronology of equipment utilization for these trains from the birth to the end of their line at Amtrak and abandonment.
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Re: Capitol ltd. consist question

Post by mmi16 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:19 pm

Tadman wrote:"Journey to Amtrak" by Harold Edmonson (Kalmbach 1972) has pictures on page 56/57 of the last eastbound B&O Capitol Limited before A-day. There are clearly two domes in the consist. It does not note whether this is a "last hurrah" special or if this was normal consist.

This 1970 shot doesn't show one.
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The two dome cars on the final train out of Chicago were the only domes that B&O had at the time (the domes were from the 1948 Columbian train sets)- the Pullman domes that B&O had bought from the C&O in the early 50's were sold off in the late 60's and were operating on the SCL.
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