Septa push pull overview

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by glennk419 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:37 am

CNJGeep wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:28 pm
Starting next Monday:
AM:
6321 West Trenton - CC 6:54
6325* West Trenton - CC 7:16
1703 - Suburban - Trenton 6:00
1502/9728 Trenton - Temple 7:50
9526 Thorndale - Temple 6:50
9530 (short set) Paoli - Temple 7:29
9538 Thorndale - Temple 7:36

PM:
6374 CC -West Trenton 4:42
6378* CC - West Trenton 5:13
9553 Temple - Thorndale 4:32
9561 Temple - Thorndale 4:56
1565 Suburban - Thorndale 5:34
4571 (short set) Warminster - Thorndale 5:01

The rotation for the short set is a bit up in the air in light of the Arsenal Work.

Trains marked with a * will potentially be the MARC cars with a SEPTA motor and cab car.
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by rcthompson04 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:26 pm

glennk419 wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:37 am
CNJGeep wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:28 pm
Starting next Monday:
AM:
6321 West Trenton - CC 6:54
6325* West Trenton - CC 7:16
1703 - Suburban - Trenton 6:00
1502/9728 Trenton - Temple 7:50
9526 Thorndale - Temple 6:50
9530 (short set) Paoli - Temple 7:29
9538 Thorndale - Temple 7:36

PM:
6374 CC -West Trenton 4:42
6378* CC - West Trenton 5:13
9553 Temple - Thorndale 4:32
9561 Temple - Thorndale 4:56
1565 Suburban - Thorndale 5:34
4571 (short set) Warminster - Thorndale 5:01

The rotation for the short set is a bit up in the air in light of the Arsenal Work.

Trains marked with a * will potentially be the MARC cars with a SEPTA motor and cab car.
Interesting to see the sets are now going to start running up to Trenton again. I presume you mean the 1502 is actually the early morning train from Malvern to Suburban.

This appears to be the same number of sets as before even with the MARC cars and even one set short in the evening. I would have thought they would have assigned a set or two to run on the Wilmington Newark Line into the lower level at 30th Street.

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by dcipjr » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm

Is SEPTA leasing these cars, like they did a few summers ago when the Silverliner Vs went out of service? Or did they purchase them outright, like they did with NJT's old Comets?

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by boomer » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:47 pm

dcipjr wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:49 pm
Is SEPTA leasing these cars, like they did a few summers ago when the Silverliner Vs went out of service? Or did they purchase them outright, like they did with NJT's old Comets?
Lease for right now. Marc #s 7745,7747,7748,7753,and 7755. All decommissioned cab cars. Ironing out some trainline issues to make compatible with existing equipment.

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by CNJGeep » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:54 pm

Add 9724 & 9524 AM and 9745 & 9559 PM, at least for the length of the Arsenal Project.

Remove the Short Set.
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by Silverliner II » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:01 am

CNJGeep wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:54 pm
Add 9724 & 9524 AM and 9745 & 9559 PM, at least for the length of the Arsenal Project.

Remove the Short Set.
Yep, no all-day push-pull set for the duration.
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by BuddCar711 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:53 am

The push-pulls are back on the R7 Trenton. 1703 and 9745 are push-pulls.

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by dcipjr » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:15 am

Are the MARC cars in service? I haven't seen them around yet, at least on the West Trenton trains that I've been on.

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by rcthompson04 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:20 am

dcipjr wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:15 am
Are the MARC cars in service? I haven't seen them around yet, at least on the West Trenton trains that I've been on.
I have not seen them hanging around Frazer either.

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by Silverliner II » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:41 pm

BuddCar711 wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:53 am
The push-pulls are back on the R7 Trenton. 1703 and 9745 are push-pulls.
So are 9724 (which turns from 9745 after spending the night at Trenton) and 9728 (turns off 1703, which in turn comes off 1502). Assignments adjusted due to the Southwest Connection project at Arsenal, so this may only be for the duration of that job (this week and next week).
rcthompson04 wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:20 am
dcipjr wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:15 am
Are the MARC cars in service? I haven't seen them around yet, at least on the West Trenton trains that I've been on.
I have not seen them hanging around Frazer either.
I do not believe any MARC cars have even arrived on SEPTA property yet... none of my friends who work out of Frazer have seen any there. If they are there, they must be well-hidden inside the shop building.

Anyway, as information, here are the push-pull assignments for the duration of the Southwest Corridor work. There is no 4-car all-day short set operating for the duration.

AM Peak
Paoli-Thorndale Line
1502 (to 1703)
9524
9526

Trenton Line
1703 (to 9728)
9724
9728

West Trenton Line
6321
6325

PM Peak
Paoli-Thorndale Line
9559
9561
1565

Trenton Line
9745

West Trenton Line
6374
6378
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by CNJGeep » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:29 pm

The MARC cars are at Frazer, they picked them up about three weeks ago.
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by Silverliner II » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:16 pm

CNJGeep wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:29 pm
The MARC cars are at Frazer, they picked them up about three weeks ago.
Roger that.
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by rcthompson04 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm

How many passengers do the MARC cars hold and would they be used as trailers or cab cars?

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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by Silverliner II » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:39 am

rcthompson04 wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:24 pm
How many passengers do the MARC cars hold and would they be used as trailers or cab cars?
Pretty much the same as the SEPTA cars, 120 to 131 depending on if cab or trailer coach. They will be used as trailers only, mainly due to different ACSES display units (if they are cabs that even got equipped in the first place).
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Re: Septa push pull overview

Post by rcthompson04 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

There are some interesting changes to the August 5 schedules. Is the all day set back in the rotation along with the MARC cars?

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