M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Fan Railer » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:55 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:So why the single designation? And a separate designation for LIRR for a second order M9-A. Doesn't make any sense.
Again, the "A" designation on the M9 order is simply to distinguish between the Federally funded cars and the locally funded cars. They are SUPPOSED to be nearly identical (if not completely identical), and be interoperable.

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Penn Central » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:42 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:Thinking VERY long-term, if MNRR ever gets to it, if you ran Hudson branch trains into Penn (part of the PSAS plan, not currently funded) you might want through running trains. That would require over/under. Or, say you have fleet issues on either side of the sound due to an incident such as Sandy, flat-spotting (remember when the 7a's first came out?), etc., it would be nice to be able to rotate in and out as needed.
As there is no third rail from 36 St to CP 12 (almost 10 miles) this suggestion makes absolutely no sense at all unless you think NY State is going to pay to add third rail to the entire Empire Branch. That is never going to happen.

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Jeff Smith » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:17 am

Agreed; merely postulating the possibilities out loud, even if far-fetched. We've talked about this both here, the PSA thread, and the Empire Connection thread. Sometimes it just takes a while to get there :wink: . At the Empire thread, even the subject of catenary was being discussed.
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:11 am

wait till you know who trows in his fantasies of Rohr Turboliners and the BB&T rr gets tracking rights..
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Ridgefielder » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:14 am

What is the width of the aisles on the M7-8's and future M-9s? Can't seem to find the info anywhere online.

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by RearOfSignal » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:19 pm

In case anyone is interested, M9s on youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo-OZL9FVLY
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by BandA » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:29 pm

I think I see an extending gap filler plate?

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Backshophoss » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:38 pm

That "lip" was always part of the M-series design,starting back to the Budd built M-1's and M-2's.
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Head-end View » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:55 pm

One of the things that always annoyed me about the M-7's was the excessively noisy door opening/closing machinery at least on LIRR's cars. I assume M-N's M-7A's have the same problem and I've wondered if the M-9's will also have noisy doors. :(

And this week I took my belated first ride on the New Haven Line's new M-8 cars and was surprised to note that the doors opened and closed quietly, like the double-leaf doors on the older M-series cars. :-D

So has door machinery improved since the M-7's were built or does Kawasaki just build a better product than Bombardier? Or did MTA maybe get enough complaints from the public about the noisy M-7 doors that they specifically spec'd something better on the more recent orders? :wink:

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by tommyboy6181 » Wed May 30, 2018 11:34 am

Vapor door controls in many cases have that noise that are heard on the M-7/M-7A cars. Even the PA-5 cars from PATH and the Alstom R160A cars have that noise but just not as loud. It could depend on the model of the door motors/electronics/components being used because the Vapor controls on the Bombardier R142/Kawasaki R143 don't have that noise.
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by DutchRailnut » Wed May 30, 2018 5:18 pm

Door operators and other auxiliaries are usually not made by car manufacturers but by outside vendors.
Be it: door operators, seats, toilet systems, HVAC , compressors etc etc .
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by BuddR32 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:56 am

M9 have door operators made by Fuji Electric. They're belt driven, and quiet. I think M8 has the same

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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:05 pm

Metro North has formally opted not to order M-9's , so this tread is now moot other than in LIRR forum.
the decision was made to continue overhaul of M-3 cars .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y44jS1y ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by Jeff Smith » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:56 am

Jaap, what does that leave MNRR with as far as future plans? Bilevels, joint acquisition of diesels, etc.? Thinking of what other topics are out there to use....
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Re: M9 Cars Design Delivery and Acceptance

Post by geico » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:24 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:Metro North has formally opted not to order M-9's , so this tread is now moot other than in LIRR forum.
the decision was made to continue overhaul of M-3 cars .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y44jS1y ... e=youtu.be" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Time stamp please???

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