The NYTimes printed a quote from a RR official stating that there was no way to avoid push pull because they couldn't turn an engine at GCT. Isn't there a loop track?
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They loop trains all the time in GCT, although it would be nearly impossible to loop that many trains every day given the amount of traffic GCT handles. You would be limited to arriving/departing on tracks 38-42 and would have to come around up the east side, and reverse down back into tracks 38-42. Not a fesiable option.
It would be impossible to loop all diesel trains, the loop simply does not have enough capacity , now lets drop stupid idea's
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???
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And furthermore...how do you expect the trains to get looped at their end terminals?
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FYI, what we used to do was either loop trains inbound off Track 1 to Tks. 40 / 41 /42 or loop outbound from Tks. 38 / 39 / 40 / 41 / 42 to Tk.1.
shlustig wrote:FYI, what we used to do was either loop trains inbound off Track 1 to Tks. 40 / 41 /42 or loop outbound from Tks. 38 / 39 / 40 / 41 / 42 to Tk.1.Trains with passengers are prohibited from operating around the loop.
Hurry up and wait at the signal!
RearOfSignal wrote:Can you please help us find that prohibition, and its age, since there have been emergencies and times of track work when it's happened.shlustig wrote:FYI, what we used to do was either loop trains inbound off Track 1 to Tks. 40 / 41 /42 or loop outbound from Tks. 38 / 39 / 40 / 41 / 42 to Tk.1.Trains with passengers are prohibited from operating around the loop.
JimBoylan wrote:It's somewhere in the ETT: GCT Special Instructions; not sure when it was added. Trains can go through the loop with passengers only with permission from some MNR official VP of Ops or something like that.RearOfSignal wrote:Can you please help us find that prohibition, and its age, since there have been emergencies and times of track work when it's happened.shlustig wrote:FYI, what we used to do was either loop trains inbound off Track 1 to Tks. 40 / 41 /42 or loop outbound from Tks. 38 / 39 / 40 / 41 / 42 to Tk.1.Trains with passengers are prohibited from operating around the loop.
Hurry up and wait at the signal!
I don't understand why the push/pull situation keeps getting brought up in every single thread and article I'm reading about this. This is a method that'd been used by railroad for years simply to cut down time and costs of turning a train around to send it back out.
And after all had nothing to do with what transpired.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???
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theseaandalifesaver wrote:I don't understand why the push/pull situation keeps getting brought up in every single thread and article I'm reading about this. This is a method that'd been used by railroad for years simply to cut down time and costs of turning a train around to send it back out.Isn't it being brought up because the Shoreliner cab cars don't have the alerters that the locomotives do?
DutchRailnut wrote:And after all had nothing to do with what transpired.How can you say that?
Terrapin Station, I assume you and Dutch are talking about the recent Spuyten Duyvil wreck, which so far nobody has named in this thread. About all I can quibble about Dutch's statement is a bit of hyperbole, the push operation had very little to do with what transpired. Do you doubt that the wreck's immediate cause was engineer's inattention? Other than alerters and other locomotive noises, which might not have helped the engineer pay attention better, what is there about push vs pull that you feel contributed to that wreck?
Again assuming you and Dutch are talking about the Spuyten Duyvil wreck thread I bet many of this thread's dear readers might appreciate if we devote this one to if one can turn at GCT, the answer to which seems to be yes, despite LRail's NYTimes printed RR official's quote that they couldn't turn an engine at GCT.
Again assuming you and Dutch are talking about the Spuyten Duyvil wreck thread I bet many of this thread's dear readers might appreciate if we devote this one to if one can turn at GCT, the answer to which seems to be yes, despite LRail's NYTimes printed RR official's quote that they couldn't turn an engine at GCT.